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#1: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:40 pm
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Hello everyone Smile

Here is my progress thread for my 206, I had another thread but I fancied making a new one and putting everything together from the start till now. Its a 1.4 8 valve and I love it!
Here it is completely standard:


 



My original gearstick gaiter had a hole in it so I bought a new one which was a nicer colour with light grey stitching, and put this gearknob on to replace the standard one. The gaiter is really nice but the gearknob wasn't made very well so I have the standard one back in now.

 



Then I put a new style SP badge on the honeycomb grille - best grille in my opinion Wink

 



Next up was a spoiler that I got painted and fitted at a Peugeot dealership bodyshop, even a year on I am still very pleased with it!

 


 



I've seen a lot of tatty steering wheels on 206s, so I got this leather steering wheel cover to preserve it.

 



Steelies were letting things down a bit, so I won these Nimrods on eBay from a breakers yard that had just got them powdercoated, with tyres and bolts for a bargain price

 



The new style SP badge was falling apart, and didn't stick to the grille very well so I made my own badge.

 



Got the fuel cap powdercoated at citypowdercoaters

 



Two nice photos from FCS

 


 



Update 15th November 2011

Now that everything looked as I wanted it to, I set about looking for suspension kits that would improve the handling. I asked for macj's advice and linked me to an ebay listing for a brand new springs and dampers kit made by Apex. The guy who was selling them had bought them for the wrong car, I got them for £100 as I was the only bidder - if I see this guy, I will buy him a pint.

My friend is a mechanic and he has fitted it. He also adjusted the torsion bar (the proper way, none of that click bullsh*t) by 30mm, but we had no idea the new rear shocks were shorter, so my car was slammed at the back! So back to work re-adjusting, and the back being as high as it can be on these shocks, it all now sits like this:

 


 


Handling is suberb! No more horrible bodyroll, and now I actually get some steering feedback whereas before there was precious little of it.


22nd January 2012

This has been done a while now but forgot to share it on here. The engine cover was reflective when I first cut and polished it but since I only used normal clear lacquer it didn't last, it needs recoating with VHT lacquer. The manifold cover and other metal surfaces will be polished up with Autosol, and all plastics will be be cleaned and be treated to plastic dressing for the show season, I would also like to get some hose and wire tidies. Let me know what you think

 



13th April 2012

I won a 4-2-1 exhaust manifold on ebay, it's second hand but the previous owner welded the y-pipe on to save me the bother which is always nice. Here it is as I got it and after cleaning up, none of my detailing products could help with the staining so I whipped out the 400 grit sandpaper, I might go over it with gradually finer sandpaper to get the shine back. My dad reckons it will start to rust now as I have taken the coating off it, but I'm not so sure, what are you opinions on the matter?

 


 


 


I did 400 grit wet and dry, then straight to 2500. To clarify the finish just a bit more I used regular paper (you heard right) dipped in water to polish the manifold. Paper has a mild abrasive property just right for that sort of thing.


27th May 2012

Not too much of an update, spent some time detailing it today and saw that the lacquer on the honeycomb grill strips were lifting and getting dirt underneath so I wipped them off and sprayed metallic red.

 


 

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#2: Re: Obsidian Black 1.4 8v Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ? PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:54 pm
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A leather sports 206 steering wheel would look the part.

#3: Re: Obsidian Black 1.4 8v Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:02 pm
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I do have one that I got from a breakers yard, just needs some tlc with liquid leather first Smile

#4: Re: Obsidian Black 1.4 8v Author: DanPug206, Location: Birmingham PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:28 pm
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Car looks nice mate!!!

#5: Re: Obsidian Black 1.4 8v Author: juanfernandes, Location: London PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:09 pm
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Car is looking very nice.

What's the exact name of the Spax kit you got?

#6: Re: Obsidian Black 1.4 8v Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:17 pm
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Thanks guys Smile

The Apex kit product code is SP-70-1050-40, ride quality is still comfortable but you will feel road imperfections a fair bit more. Some dislike this, but I prefer it already over the standard 'floaty' feel, I like to know whats going on beneath the tyres

#7: Re: Obsidian Black 1.4 8v Author: juanfernandes, Location: London PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:24 pm
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Andrewxps wrote:
Thanks guys Smile

The Apex kit product code is SP-70-1050-40, ride quality is still comfortable but you will feel road imperfections a fair bit more. Some dislike this, but I prefer it already over the standard 'floaty' feel, I like to know whats going on beneath the tyres

Thanks

#8: Re: Andrew's Obsidian Black 1.4 8v Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:50 pm
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The springs and dampers have greatly improved handling, but I would like some advice on what anti roll bars I could use from higher spec models to further improve my handling, I've heard certain ones won't fit the 1.4. What anti roll bar links would I have to use?

I also have some GTi180 front calipers that I am going to spruce up, I wouldn't be putting these parts on until the summer but I can use that time to collect all the parts and get more advice. I'm assuming all I would need for the brakes are disks and pads, then I'm good to go? With these two upgrades I would say my suspension plans would be complete Smile

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#9: Re: Andrew's Obsidian Black 1.4 8v Author: Razpulsedj, Location: Partying with the Info Shufflers PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:23 am
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You already know how much i love this car Very Happy

Its coming along great and i hope to see it at Mod Nats if your coming, by far the best car show of last year and with your car there im sure info will bring home yet another trophy Very Happy

#10: Re: Andrew's Obsidian Black 1.4 8v Author: jayz206gti, Location: Tamworth PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:38 am
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Cracking mate! You cant beat Black/Gunmetal combo!!

#11: Re: Andrew's Obsidian Black 1.4 8v Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:35 pm
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Thanks for the comments guys Smile You'll give me a big head haha!

Unfortunately I got a dent from someone opening their door into my rear quarter panel which needs sorting, but I do have some SP arches I've painted up using Ste's guide, they look good! Just need to find some clips, not bad for £20 though

I'm definately going to as many shows as I can next year, I am setting up working for myself now so getting the days off isn't a problem. Ryan, if I can find a small generator I will machine polish your car at any of the shows, can have a haircut as well if you want Razz (I'm a barber to those that don't know)

Cheers

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#12: Re: Andrew's Obsidian Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:51 am
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Update, see bottom of first post Smile

#13: Re: Andrew's Obsidian Black 1.4 8v Author: 00budham00, Location: Ips PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:04 pm
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jayz206gti wrote:
Cracking mate! You cant beat Black/Gunmetal combo!!
really like this concept

#14: Re: Andrew's Obsidian Black 206 Author: ARRAN, Location: Wiltshire PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:26 am
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what did the car run like with the manifold on? it has a straight through on it i take it? and what did you do with the lamba sensors?

#15: Re: Andrew's Obsidian Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:58 am
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PM'd you dude

Short story: they are a straight fit if bought brand new and sleeve the second lambda if you go decat

#16: Re: Andrew's Obsidian Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 3:26 pm
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Small update first post

#17: Re: Andrew's Obsidian Black 206 Author: lukepug19, Location: Oxfordshire PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:14 am
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That's my old manilfold hope it's ok

#18: Re: Andrew's Obsidian Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 2:55 pm
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Your old manifold is spot on, the welding you had done on the y pipe is great and made life easy for me

#19: Re: Andrew's Obsidian Black 206 Author: lukepug19, Location: Oxfordshire PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 7:58 pm
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Wicked mate yea regret getting rid now got any pics of it fitted yet

#20: Re: Andrew's Obsidian Black 206 Author: Uz, Location: No Man's Land PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:00 am
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Enjoy the induction kit mate Smile Sounded sweet when you pulled off my driveway.

#21: Re: Andrew's Obsidian Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:54 pm
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Cheers Uzmeister, we will have to sort out a Pugfest arrangement!

#22: Re: Andrew's Obsidian Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:07 pm
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Nothing new in a while really, I resprayed the red grille strips again and taken my time, this time with Rover Nightfire red. Nice pearlescent colour Smile

 


Before anyone tells me I have copied someone, I do not recite the encyclopedia of every car featured on this site before I go to bed every night to know what I can and can't do, and either way this was probably done years ago in a previous incarnation of 206info...

Anyway, next plan is to invest in Bilstein B12 suspension set, find a second hand set of 16" Oz Superturismo's to get powdercoated, focusing on the handling really. I'm also looking for sport wings already in my paint code. Cosmetically my car will be complete by then, sometimes people say I should tint my windows and mask my headlights but I like how it is now. I think it's on the verge of being in bad taste if I change the aesthetics much further than that.

#23: Re: Andrew's Obsidian Black 206 Author: danlouiee, Location: Plymouth, Devon PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:54 pm
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Love this car mate! I think it's a brilliant example of a well looked after 206! I have a honeycomb front grill however non sport but I sprayed my chrome strips red but recently went over them again and it does make a difference doing them second time..I did them cherry red to begin with the Peugeot kkn (foud a couple Tins in the garage!)

What colour you going for on superturismos?

#24: Re: Andrew's Obsidian Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:17 pm
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Thanks Dan Smile it's definitely a small touch that gets a lot of notice Smile

My Nimrods are different shades to one another and the petrol cap is another shade as well, so when I get Oz's I'll have them and the petrol cap done in a citypowdercoating special anthracite finish that has metallic flake Smile it hasnt got many blue tones to it that look out of place with the red on my car, I think if I were to kerb them I would explode

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#25: Re: Andrew's Obsidian Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:29 am
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Picked up some 16" Oz Superturismo's, the paint isn't in good condition but I have sanded some back and found no filler. I think these are the classic type! These will sit further out than my Nimrods so the way it sits will be a little more pleasing to the eye, and hopefully handle better too.

 


 


It will take a while before I get these painted and the tyres swapped over. I am considering getting the Nimrod's refurbished and sell them on, or use them as winter wheels.

#26: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:24 pm
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I had this awesome gift for my 21st birthday, I wasted no time fitting it! I just need to patch the two radio cables together properly as they are different connections, and find where the steering wheel stalk cable on my car's loom is to attach that as well. It has the capacity for GPS, all I need to do is download a map and install it through an SD card.

 


I remember a thread popping up about these and people were worried about the quality, but I can say it works great and the touch screen is nice and responsive. I just hope it stays reliable with age!

 


I have moved my business to its own premises now, the trading estate is quiet on a weekend and evenings so I still get time to detail my car. You could say my car is a demonstation of the work I do as everything I offer has been done to it.

There are loads of things I want to do. I'm looking for some sport front wings because the ET16 Superturismo's will poke out too much on non sport ones. Quite fancy having those thread and stud set ups instead of normal wheel bolts. Some 180 front seats would be nice to work on as a retrimming project, the 206+ rear lights look good in my opinion too.

I had a look at my Apex dampers and there is already patches of suface rust, I even lacquered them before they went on as well! I thought it was great at first, but it's just not firm enough for track days. Still looking for Eibach/Bilstein B12 set up, I want to get my car handling great and looking unique but in a tasteful way that doesn't take it too far. So many ideas I don't know where to start!

#27: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Addaz, Location: Suffolk PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:34 pm
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Please explain wtf that thing is? Laughing

#28: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:44 pm
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Picture is a bit dark so I understand it's hard to make out what it is. Its one of these:

 


Ridicule is welcomed but not taken to heart, I think its an awesome piece of kit. My phone only seems to ring when I'm driving and being as I never answered when I was driving (its illegal to do so) a screen with bluetooth handsfree made sense for a great present. My old man has something similar in his car too.

#29: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Addaz, Location: Suffolk PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:03 pm
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That gets good marks from me, very oem and subtle

Might consider using a pod like that and hard wiring it to my ECU for live electronic gauges

#30: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:13 pm
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The limits are endless with it, at the back of the head unit you have RCA ports so you can wire anything in. On the main screen it displays your trip computer readings such as MPG, but being as my COM2000 doesn't accomodate for this I might have to upgrade that or hope that when I have the satnav map uploaded it will base it from that.

I've only played music through bluetooth so I'm not sure what CD sound quality might be like, I will admit it is a little more flat than my old HU, I'm yet to play with the EQ settings but I can always add an amplifier if I like.

#31: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: rttam, Location: devon PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:33 pm
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looking really smart mate Smile
cant beat the original style superturismos look so much better got a set on my daily clio Smile

#32: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:19 pm
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Thanks Matt Smile I don't want to get the OZ's refurbished too soon because I want to put them on around March, if they are sat around finished waiting to go on I will get sad Sad

We have a lot of lunatic drivers in our village, and parking on one side of the main road so I often get forced into the curb by people not waiting behind parked cars in their lane... The council are building a car park so hopefully this should stop before I put these wheels on

I wonder if it's possible to put a proximity sensor in each wingmirror where the thermostat is meant to go, wired to a camera lens hidden in my car (near the reading light). Would be good to have it automatically record when chavs try peeking inside the windows and save to an SD card in the headunit.

#33: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:55 pm
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22mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars "arrived" today. They were dispatched on the 16th October, arrived in England on the 18th and the tracking website stopped updating on the 19th when it was passed on to a UK courrier. 10 days later I decided to phone round and find where my parcel went, I had to drive to the local depot to pick it up.

The address label looks deliberately torn off the box though they said it must have happened in transit. If I hadn't chased it down I wouldn't have received it

 

#34: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:17 pm
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Not really an update or a change to my car, but my car was overdue a really good detail. So I gave it one of my own Enhancement Details + permanent sealant at my workshop today. I know, what kind of nutter goes back to work on a Saturday...

 


 

#35: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;) PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:43 pm
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Looks like a late Saturday night aswell lol

Mine needs to be as clean as yours!!

#36: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:14 pm
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I got there at 2pm and left at 7 Smile didn't require as much prep work as customer's cars due to how I've looked after it Smile

You need an excuse to come down to the Midlands in the Clio!

#37: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Barking, Location: sarcasm-in-shedloads PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:27 pm
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Andrewxps wrote:

You need an excuse to come down to the Midlands in the Clio!

Are you blonde and easy? If so, he'd be there within an hour Laughing

#38: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:13 pm
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Another update? Another thing to tick off my wanted list. Went out to pick up a GTi180 full interior today, here's a picture from when I got it back:

 


The glovebox cover, doorcards and rear seats are in mint condition, but the alcantara on the front seats are worse for wear - though I bought them as a little project. Just in the process of cleaning it all up at work as it looks like it wasn't cleaned for a while. I only wanted the front seats to work on so I will take offers for the doorcards, rear seats and glovebox cover, though I won't be giving it away for silly money.

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#39: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:18 pm
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The interior is now cleaned up, there's a real difference when compared to the photo above Smile

 


 


The rear bench, glovebox cover and doorcards are in perfect condition, ready to sell. I am keeping the front seats, but I have my work cut out.

 


 


I have plans!

#40: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:47 pm
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Andrew wrote:
Picture is a bit dark so I understand it's hard to make out what it is. Its one of these:

 


Ridicule is welcomed but not taken to heart, I think its an awesome piece of kit. My phone only seems to ring when I'm driving and being as I never answered when I was driving (its illegal to do so) a screen with bluetooth handsfree made sense for a great present. My old man has something similar in his car too.

Very nice, I'm loving the oem look of it Wink if you dont mind me asking where did you bought it and how much was it?

#41: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:54 pm
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I don't know the exact listing but it is just like this:

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peu...3a7b81b03a

This looks the same too, but I have no idea why it has an Audi logo, maybe it's a stock image

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peu...3f1eb1ecf8

It's really good and accepts a lot of hardware, but I suggest you make use of the 'make offer' button Wink

#42: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: JamieM PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:37 pm
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You have good taste ( ;

Like the car on the nimrods. Really wish 206's came with turinis like the Clio's!

#43: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Goldin, Location: Pula , Croatia PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:38 am
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#44: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Goldin, Location: Pula , Croatia PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:38 am
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@JamieM: I think that Turini's suit better Clio than 206, because Clio has sharper edges.

@Andrew: if you want to put 7x16 ET 16 O.Z.'s You will definitly need sport wings.
I bought 7x16 ET 16 O.Z.'s a few months ago, and I decided not to put them on the car because I would be necessary to roll rear arches.

#45: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:22 am
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I'm looking for sport wings but nobody messages me back when I see some for sale

Plan is to not actually change anything on my car till Spring, but work on getting the wheels, interior and suspension ready to fit all together. Are you sure that you need to roll the rear arches? I'm sure Uz has used ET16 before without problem

#46: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Goldin, Location: Pula , Croatia PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:42 am
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I found with a quick search that Uz had 6,5x16 ET 16 wheels, and you have 7x16.
Take a look on the link below what is the difference.

www.willtheyfit.com/in...mit=Submit

#47: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:25 am
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Uz has confirmed that I won't be anywhere near the rear arches, and with sport wings I should be fine Smile

#48: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Uz, Location: No Man's Land PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:52 am
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Goldin wrote:
I found with a quick search that Uz had 6,5x16 ET 16 wheels, and you have 7x16.
Take a look on the link below what is the difference.

www.willtheyfit.com/in...mit=Submit

What you'll find is my Nimrods were 6.5Jx16" ET18 with 15mm spacers all round and I didn't have a problem. With spacers I was sitting at ET3 all round.

My Gutmanns were 7Jx15 ET12 and never with a 5mm shim at the rear and never had a problem. Rears were sitting at ET9.

My Compomotive TH1570 were 7Jx15 ET20 all round with 15mm spacers at the rear and again I never had a problem. With spacers I was sitting at ET5.

Also Superturismos have a reverse dish... meaning all the width will be to the rear of the wheels... which again means your not going to have a problem even if you are 10mm forward from the 206 offset.

#49: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:31 pm
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I have bought some Sport wings from Iain that I will get sprayed up

My in car screen has a small issue that bothers me though. It dkesn't turn iff until the BSI shuts down and every time I open or close a door it switches back on. Does anyone have any ideas that could help me?

#50: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Uz, Location: No Man's Land PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:49 am
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Andrew wrote:
I have bought some Sport wings from Iain that I will get sprayed up

My in car screen has a small issue that bothers me though. It dkesn't turn iff until the BSI shuts down and every time I open or close a door it switches back on. Does anyone have any ideas that could help me?

Ill send you a pic of what you need to do. But first one is switch the red and yellow wires over for memory and also switch pin no 3 on your iso harness to pin position 7 due to the multiplexed ignition wire is in a different position to where its meant to be.

#51: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:40 am
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Cheers Uz, I totally forgot you told me that on Saturday

#52: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:49 pm
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Not much to update with, but I've been looking into what tyres I will put on the Superturismo's when I get them refurbished in the new year. I get regular work from a garage on my business' trading estate that have just opened as a tyre place so I asked them to look into some Toyo R1Rs for me. They don't make them in 195/45/16 it seems, so I have to go 205/40, 205/45 or even 215 width. These will be summer/occasional track use so need to have a compromise between safe in the wet, and admirable on track/fast road. Then my Nimrods with Proxes 4 will be winter wheels.

I will be fiting the 180 interior once I sort out a retrim, and still need to fit the 22mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars. Though I don't know if I should get a 180 rear axle first or stick with drum axle. I would like Bilstein B12 kit too, so I have a lot of things to sort before it's where I want it.

My plan is to get all these things sorted and ready to fit at once in one weekend in March Smile

#53: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:00 am
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I prepped my Superturismo's as much as possible by DA sanding the damaged areas and filling the scuffs with Chemical Metal. Dropped them off at City Powdercoaters with my fuel cap on Monday, and went out in the snow today before the weather got too bad.

I'm over the moon with how they have came out, when you consider how bad they were as well

 


 


 


Could only picture the two as didn't have space to picture all four together and I've been instructed not to scratch the floor with them ha. Will have to take them to my storage space when the weather gets better.

#54: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: rttam, Location: devon PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:12 am
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look great mate shame the superturismos on my clio dont look that good lol

what colour is that? would be perfect for my 180 wheels Very Happy

btw if you find somewhere to get the centrecaps gimme a shout as im struggling to get some for mine as they are different to the newer style superturismos Sad

#55: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:39 am
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Thanks Smile City have two Antracite-ish colours for the standard price, I had my petrol cap the darker-bluey one before but it clashes with the red details on my car so I asked them for a more neutral one, this is a bit lighter they called it Boltgun metal. I need to ask them for a paint code because I am going to order some blank centre caps to spray and stick the Lion on.

The outside of the centre cap face is 54mm

#56: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: anton1989, Location: west midlands PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:38 pm
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the wheels look very very nice mate i have the same alloys in 19" on my golf, they came with the car and found out there genuine Laughing

was thinking to do mine black but after seeing these think i might change my mind Wink

im also looking for centre caps cant find any cheaper than £70 Shocked

#57: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Rob206 PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:16 pm
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nice job mate looks really good keep it up i love my 1.4

#58: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:08 pm
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Thanks for the kind words, my aim is to have my car respectable by FCS - need to get a few more things done first

You can go crazy with what colour you choose with alloy refurbishment, could even have coloured metallic flake like black wheels and red flakebut there is a limit before something goes OTT

Next up I need my sport wings painting before I put the wheels on, but that won't be for another 4 or 5 months yet

#59: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Goldin, Location: Pula , Croatia PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:19 am
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Wheels look really nice, can't wait to see them on the car. Smile

#60: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: -RAJ-, Location: COV PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:19 am
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wheels look mint, what chemical metal filler did you use that was able to withstand the oven?

#61: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:33 am
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I used this one

www.halfords.com/webap...&langId=-1

They said it didn't cause any problems but I used it as sparingly as possible

Thanks again for the good words

#62: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:48 pm
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I dropped my car off at the bodyshop yesterday, to have the NSR quarter repainted. It had been done in the past as paid for by the people who damaged it, but the job did not meet my stringent OCD standards, so I am having it redone by a different repairman of my choice.

Before: [Note the poor prep work and hazy unbaked paint]

 


When I dropped it off he asked what I do for a living, I told him I am a valeter and I have picked up a bit of work from him so happy days. He is also painting a 180 exhaust trim for me.

#63: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: rttam, Location: devon PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:26 pm
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Andrew wrote:
I dropped my car off at the bodyshop yesterday, to have the NSR quarter repainted. It had been done in the past as paid for by the people who damaged it, but the job did not meet my stringent OCD standards, so I am having it redone by a different repairman of my choice.

Before: [Note the poor prep work and hazy unbaked paint]

 


When I dropped it off he asked what I do for a living, I told him I am a valeter and I have picked up a bit of work from him so happy days. He is also painting a 180 exhaust trim for me.

glad im not the only one mate just spent a fortune getting my n/s redone thanks to the previous person making a rubbish job Rolling Eyes its amazing when you find a small area of paintwork thats not perfect how much it bugs you everytime you clean the car Crying or Very sad

#64: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:22 pm
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Yes mate you must be like me then, for not caring about the people who say "its just a 206", if it's your favourite thing its worth spending a bit of money to get things back to perfect again. I plan on keeping mine for a while you see, and had it since it was 2 years old. My car's panel was at bare metal this afternoon so hopefully should have it back Friday.

#65: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: rttam, Location: devon PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:19 pm
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Andrew wrote:
Yes mate you must be like me then, for not caring about the people who say "its just a 206", if it's your favourite thing its worth spending a bit of money to get things back to perfect again. I plan on keeping mine for a while you see, and had it since it was 2 years old. My car's panel was at bare metal this afternoon so hopefully should have it back Friday.

exactly im the same had it since virtually brand new and done all the work on it myself so i know its a good car and have no plans to sell up Smile get the whole "but its french" thing or "its only a car why waste so much money on it" but i love it so why not lol
should finally have mine done this weekend sides, bootlid and morette covers all mint again now just had the front bumper redone under warrenty as i wasnt happy and is perfect now as the boss did it himself Very Happy

#66: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:43 am
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It's back Smile

 


 


It's not an exciting update for you guys, but I've been meaning to have it done for a year, this repair is perfect I can't fault it Smile

#67: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: rttam, Location: devon PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:23 pm
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looks good mate Smile

#68: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:43 am
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Thanks dude, just dropped some sport front wings off at the same bodyshop. He is very busy at the minute, which makes me appreciate the fact he fitted me in last week, and how well the work the has been done. There's no pressure or rush for him to respray the wings for me, it gives me time to see if I can afford tyres and hopefully get to fit the wings and wheels together.

Taxed for 6 months today as insurance is due in April, now the payments for these running costs are spread out a bit.

And I did another full clean of the 180 interior to get rid of the last bits of discolouring and smell, ready for liquid leather repair on the worn areas before they go to the retrim place. If I can get all of the above, plus some Bilstein B12 sorted before FCS I will be happy with progress for this year Smile

#69: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: JaeJae, Location: Mansfield PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:02 pm
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Wow.. hope my car will look this good one day lol Smile

#70: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:56 pm
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My car is far from perfect but thanks for the compliment Smile

#71: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:11 am
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Tyres have been ordered for the wheels. Went for T1Rs in the end due to budget, and people seem to rate them for our cars. Had some decals made up by Ste (Admin) so that I could make custom centre caps, the stickers are just waiting for centre caps that fit to come along. Here's a photo shop Smile

 


 


Wheels should be put on by the end of the week. Then I can save my money a bit and focus on the interior project closer to July.

#72: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: rttam, Location: devon PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:40 am
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wheels look great mate Smile
where did you get the centre caps to fit them from need some for my other car and apparently the centre caps from the later superturismos dont fit Sad

#73: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:57 am
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New wheels Peugeot fwiend!

 


 


The exterior will not be deviating far from this as I want to retain an OEM look, any other cosmetic change and it may be on the verge of bad taste

The centre caps were a photoshop Matt, I still need to get some :/

#74: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Slowride, Location: Netherlands/near Rotterdam PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:14 am
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Really good looking wheels Thumbs Up

#75: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:22 pm
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Thank you good sir

Need some centre caps as I don't want water getting in there and making the spigot rust

#76: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: rttam, Location: devon PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:17 pm
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look awesome mate Smile the older style superturismos look so much better than the newer ones!
if you find somewhere that does the centre caps drop me a link as iv been trying for ages the newer ones are different sizes Sad

#77: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:51 pm
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Are these any good to you my man

www.performancealloys....-caps.aspx

On the one original centre cap I had with these wheels, the code on the back is M582

#78: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Goldin, Location: Pula , Croatia PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:18 am
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Wheels look great, and the color is perfect Smile

#79: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:50 pm
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Thank you Mr Goldin Smile Team OZ

I really need to get the suspension balanced out because it is a bit of a rake at the moment. Eibach B12 kit is £585 and the H&R Cup Suspension Kit is £388, both on Europerformance. That's £200 difference on the same parts, they both have shortened shocks, and if the spring rates and built quality is similar then it's an easy decision. But I can't find many 206's with H&R kit to find feedback

#80: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: danlouiee, Location: Plymouth, Devon PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:59 am
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Looks epic Andrew! I've always been a lover of OZ wheels just never took the plunge!

With regards to h&r springs, I'm sure Uz is currently running them on his 180 iirc?

#81: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: rttam, Location: devon PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:59 am
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Andrew wrote:
Thank you Mr Goldin Smile Team OZ

I really need to get the suspension balanced out because it is a bit of a rake at the moment. Eibach B12 kit is £585 and the H&R Cup Suspension Kit is £388, both on Europerformance. That's £200 difference on the same parts, they both have shortened shocks, and if the spring rates and built quality is similar then it's an easy decision. But I can't find many 206's with H&R kit to find feedback

i had the h&r cupsport dampers on the 180 but with eibach sportline springs and the handling was bang on really happy with them but just wasnt low enough on the front to pull off the look i was going for hence i bought coilovers. my missus is over the moon though as the h&r's are now gonna get put on her 206 Wink

#82: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:07 pm
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Convenient that my #1 thread follower has the advice on H&R! Will get saving for that next then

Edit: Cheers Dan, I think Uz has the Eibach Pro-kit Smile

#83: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 1:23 pm
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Not really an exciting update, but the OZ's came off the car because they needed re powdercoating. The paint on all the spokes had cracked and this was due to the alloys being old (about 10 years) and the metal going porous, they needed a special sealant primer. To city powdercoaters credit, they redid them for free.

Since coming back, they look even better than they first did. I am contemplating having the Nimrod's refurbished and sell them if a good offer comes in to make it worth my while, if not I will keep them as winter wheels

Car is currently in the body shop having some GTi front wings painted and fitted and the roof smoothed (I hate the radio anyway, full of s**t music and adverts). Is it just me that has paintwork bubbling inside the edge of the boot? I'm having that done as well.

Asked them to take my red strips out of the bumper while it's off, everyone is doing red now I need something unique but subtle

#84: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:40 pm
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Went to see how my car was getting on today, it's very nearly finished. They did a great job of straightening out the banged up GTi wings and painting (they were orange), the roof had a plate welded underneath and fibreglassed the hole. Very impressed and can't wait to get it back. Weird seeing my car with no front end!

PS before anyone moans, I have no use for an anologue radio aerial.

 


 


 

#85: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: iainlovatt PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:55 am
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coming along nicely there andrew. How did the gti wings get banged up? Crying or Very sad

#86: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:36 am
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Cheers Iain

The bodyshop said there were a few dents and the lip on the arches were bent, I have no idea but I'm really happy Smile I get to fetch it later

#87: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: iainlovatt PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:40 am
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Andrew wrote:
Cheers Iain

The bodyshop said there were a few dents and the lip on the arches were bent, I have no idea but I'm really happy Smile I get to fetch it later

Fair enough! Will look good! Ready for the forth coming car shows! Smile

#88: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:34 am
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They were very good for V reg wings I'm not knocking them! And the arch liners are hard to find

I already have my idea for the June competition, and going to Pugfest and FCS

#89: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:48 pm
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Got it back today looks amazing Smile

 


When I visited this morning the guy who did the paintwork this time was flatting and machine polishing the panels, and I like how they fitted the wings to ensure there were no uneven gaps. So now there is no bubbling inside the boot, the roof is smooth and it has 13 year old wings on that are like new, so chuffed!

Next is to drop a spare set of wingmirrors and my roof strips to be colour coded, and then this years plans to have the aesthetics finished are complete Smile

#90: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Goldin, Location: Pula , Croatia PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:26 pm
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Excellent , it is very nice with GTI front wings.
Wink

#91: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:39 pm
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Thanks Goldin, I need to make sure I keep a day spare to detail my own car before Pugfest/FCS

#92: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:25 pm
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I guess I should update with the wheels back on and the calipers painted

 

#93: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Lecktorious, Location: Scotland PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:40 pm
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When you popping up to detail mine, Andrew? Laughing

#94: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:48 pm
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Lecktorious wrote:
When you popping up to detail mine, Andrew? Laughing

That photo was taken by the next building to my workplace, it's on the way down to Pugfest from Scotland you know Razz

#95: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Lecktorious, Location: Scotland PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:53 pm
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Andrew wrote:
Lecktorious wrote:
When you popping up to detail mine, Andrew? Laughing

That photo was taken by the next building to my workplace, it's on the way down to Pugfest from Scotland you know Razz

Laughing

If I wasn't in convey and had a bit more time, I would probably have stopped by!

#96: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Diabloreddan PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:05 pm
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Just read tis from start to finish and I must say matey it looks awesome Smile

#97: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:46 pm
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Thank you Diablored, I kinda fell out of love with my car at FCS when it was put on the themed paddocks and looked out of place amoungst all the other cars, and whilst it was on the hotel car park it was dented by a range rover door on a panel I had only just had painted two weeks before hand

But since getting some morettes and getting the covers sprayed, I love it again

 

#98: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: shell-vt, Location: durham PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:52 am
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looks very nice

#99: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:28 am
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Just a quick update to show I am still knocking about

 


I think she needs a front splitter, I like the LCR ones but they are around £50 delivered brand new, didn't they used to be only about £20??

I also have my old Nimrods up for sale here: 206info.co.uk/Forums/v...57875.html

#100: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:24 pm
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As of last week the clutch pedal has started to feel stiff and the gears are getting harder to engage, and reverse will often crunch going into gear, also a fair bit of judder pulling away Sad

42,000 city miles have obviously taken their toll on the clutch

#101: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:29 pm
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The clutch well and truly went, so I ordered a new Valeo one, which my mechanic round the corner from my work is going to fit

 


I'll take a picture of the old clutch, interested to see how bad it looks! I've also taken a spare flywheel to be lightened and balanced. I like to make the best of a bad situation

#102: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:53 pm
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Car is back on the road now, getting it to the garage was a nightmare. Turns out the clutch release fork had cracked (that explains why I couldn't get any gears), and taken the thrust bearing with it. Got a second hand gearbox and new clutch kit, at least it's all fresh now.

My old gearbox is for sale, all it needs is a new clutch release fork and checking over

#103: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:28 am
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After having the 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars sitting around for nearly 18 months, they are finally on the car. Back end feels nice and stable now, a lot more planted to the road.

If anyone plans to do this, especially going up from the weedy 1.4/1.1 standard bars, take into account that if you keep the arms at the same height measurement, the stronger bars will cause the back end to sit even higher, so you need to accommodate for this when you adjust the arms, or end up doing it twice.

#104: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Sim, Location: West Country PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:44 pm
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Black mint car man, looks like morettes were made for her Smile

#105: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:30 pm
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Recently I have been slowly collecting parts for my car, here's a small preview after some parts returned from the powder coaters.

 


Also my good friend Andy aka PezHdi (his username on here) has done some custom LED work for me on some of the interior pieces on my car. He is running this on an exchange basis and has a fair few colours available so if you like what you see here, you should drop him a PM. To say I'm impressed is an understatement, the iPhone quality pictures do it no justice.

 


 

#106: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:01 pm
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I'm looking for some good reclining bucket seats in black and grey to match the car's interior, like Recaro's, are they hard to fit to the 206? I want minimal fuss really

I want to get my alloy wheels refurbished again in the future, as two have a mild buckle and for some reason the powdercoat finish keeps spiderweb cracking. What is the name of that refurbishment place in the Midlands that sorts buckles and supposed to do an A* job? Wheel doctors or something...

#107: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 11:17 am
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Just popping up here to ask some questions, save making a new thread.

I had an after market steering wheel fitted for a breif time, I've put it back to normal now and replaced it with a leather standard one - the airbag light is still on. Pez says it just needs clearing but could it be an airbag ECU fault? Also when I put the airbag unit into the steering wheel it is secured in place but just out at the bottom, I think one of the clips is causing an obstruction inside, but I'm unsure how I can take it off being as the bottom isn't clipped in and you usually undo the latch from the bottom to take it off...

The engine suffered an overheat earlier this year and since being repaired it still makes a tapping noise, that gets louder when the engine is under load/more revs. Is this just a tappet issue?

#108: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Addaz, Location: Suffolk PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 2:38 pm
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1. Clear the faults, see if they return. And without a picture I dont feel i can help that much

2. The tappets are way out it seems. Do them from cold and with a 45 degree feeler gauge to get the best feel, also its 0.40mm exhaust and 0.20mm for inlet

#109: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Imelliot, Location: East Ayrshire, Scotland PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:37 am
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Really nice looking car Smile

#110: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:30 pm
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I think I ought to have a go at adjusting the tappets myself

The car had to have the head rebuilt after it overheated earlier this year. Since then, I am noticing a water sloshing noise coming from the passenger side door/glovebox when I accelerate/decelerate. What could this be?

#111: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: TomRobbo94 PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:52 am
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Yeah I get that as well, no idea what it is, but I think its the fuel pump noise that wasn't noticed before it was done.. but if anyone can give some info on it I'd love to know as well

#112: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Addaz, Location: Suffolk PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:15 am
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Andrew wrote:
I think I ought to have a go at adjusting the tappets myself

The car had to have the head rebuilt after it overheated earlier this year. Since then, I am noticing a water sloshing noise coming from the passenger side door/glovebox when I accelerate/decelerate. What could this be?

The coolant has not been bled correctly. Get that sorted asap

#113: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: TomRobbo94 PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:22 am
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Mine's only in 1st and 2nd when I'm going for it? is it still a problem?

#114: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Addaz, Location: Suffolk PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:25 am
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TomRobbo94 wrote:
Mine's only in 1st and I'm going for it? is it still a problem?

Its a should be done thing, if you get me? Important enough to be concerned about

#115: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: TomRobbo94 PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:30 am
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oh :/ cheers

#116: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:53 pm
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Well bit of an update, there is enough unburned fuel in the coolant to fail an emissions test if it was coming out of an exhaust.. So the head is gone.

Also I bought some after market rear lights but I can't quite get them to sit flush did anyone else get this problem?

#117: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Vexs, Location: London PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:15 pm
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What rear lights are they Andrew?

#118: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:23 pm
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#119: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Vexs, Location: London PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:37 pm
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Definetly for the hatchback? Not sure if it's possible for cc's light to be any different, especially the aftermarket ones.

#120: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:29 am
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Definately the hatchback ones it said on the shop. The threads go into the holes in the bodywork but it seems that something stops the bottom half of the lights being pushed all the way, maybe it's the black plastic that is meant to sit inside the boot jam?

#121: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: danlouiee, Location: Plymouth, Devon PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:39 am
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Mine sit exactly the same mate it's a nightmare but I thinks the foam seal that's too fat and pushes it away!:(

#122: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:22 pm
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After the headgasket failed last year I had the head sent off to be skimmed. All was fine until a couple of weeks ago when I found that the engine was leaking oil and using water. After taking it to my mechanic friend to see what was up, he put the exhaust emissions probe in the coolant bottle to find that I unburned fuel in there, so coolant has been migrating to the cylinders through the gasket.

Not feeling like sending it off again, I decided to just get a new block. Moral of the story, an engine that has blown it's head will never be the same again. Oh well, at least it is good chance to give the new one a good clean and paint Smile

Any plastics that have been over sprayed will be replaced with the ones from my existing engine

 

 

 



After
 

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#123: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Addaz, Location: Suffolk PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:36 am
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Thimking about it the block may have warped, as they are only aluminium casting on the tu3 and below. Or a liner may have shifted

#124: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:19 pm
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More than likely mate, so it was best to get rid and replace with one that hadn't been cracked open Smile

#125: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:43 pm
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I got sent this work in progress picture yesterday, hopefully she will be running sweet as a nut in no time

 

#126: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Addaz, Location: Suffolk PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:26 pm
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Needs a BE4R and turbo.... Whistle...

#127: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:42 am
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I may need to consult your advice on the BE4R gearbox conversion in the near future Smile

#128: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:57 pm
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The car is now all back together and back with me Smile

The engine bay now with Cometic head gasket
 

#129: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:21 pm
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New downpipe back exhaust from MIJ exhausts, 2.5 inch diameter. Very pleased with their work, couldn't take any more pictures as I ran out of storage space on my phone.

 

#130: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Sim, Location: West Country PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2015 5:34 pm
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Top work on rocker cover! Is Cometic - a name of paint colour?

I guess you'll reveal it all at FCS, not just that photo teaser of the exhaust Wink

#131: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:53 am
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Cometic is the brand of MLS head gasket that was used Smile

The wheels have been redone recently and I quite like how they have turned out

 


The car has a dodgy thrust bearing that wants addressing soon, and sometimes it will "hunt" and be unresponsive on throttle at low revs so you have to restart the car.

#132: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:34 am
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The next stage is in early steps...

 

#133: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: MrWhite PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:22 pm
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BOOOOOOOOOOST!

Love the thread man Cant wait to see what happens next ^_^

#134: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:10 pm
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Thank you

The turbo is a T25 from a Nissan S13 and the guy I got it from included these. Not bad for £100 posted
 


Looking at how it all fits I will have to route the down pipe to the left, with the little inlet pipe sitting between the turbo and block, feeding into a bend above the down pipe. Will have to offer it up to the engine bay tomorrow!

The current engine has a 5 ply headgasket to lower the compression so I should be OK with the following on 10psi:
Cituning Manifold
Omex ECU
Intercooler with 2 inch inlet pipework to throttle body
330cc injectors
3.5 bar fuel pressure regulator

I also need to get banjo bolts etc

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#135: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Cydermonkey, Location: the shire of Dorset PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:39 pm
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ohh a turbo 1.4... will watch with great interest after reading your whole thread I really like what you've done with her, looking gorgeous!! what kinda power are you currently running? or is it a completely stock motor? and what do you expect to gain from the boostage? Very Happy also i am very envious of your engine bay, love it!

#136: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: MrWhite PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:02 pm
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Accidently ran 24Psi of boost on my 2.0 Hdi and it blew a hose on the motorway oops

 

#137: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 5:39 am
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Looks fun!

It is currently making 108hp, and if Addaz's car is any thing to go by I should hit the 190hp mark

#138: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: MattyP, Location: Plymouth PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:07 am
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Good to see things coming along mate!! Will it be at Forge this year? Guessing insurance is too high for you to get a 180?

#139: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:46 pm
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I will indeed be at Forge Smile

I could get a 180 but I love a good project and am quite sentimental with my car (sad act I know)

#140: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: MattyP, Location: Plymouth PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:34 am
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Andrew wrote:
I will indeed be at Forge Smile

I could get a 180 but I love a good project and am quite sentimental with my car (sad act I know)

glad to hear it mate Very Happy i'll be there but with a different club. Yeah I know what you mean about being sentimental, am the same way with my 180 Wink

#141: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:17 pm
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Now I have a standard manifold with T2 adaptor. However I have had to send off for a 1 and 1/4 inch thick spacer plate to bring the manifold forward as the turbo would be touching the block.

My main concern right now is fuelling. Currently the car runs at 15:1 AFR which is too lean. So I must search for an increase pressure FPR and better injectors. But to start, I do not know if my car has a fuel pressure regulator as so little is known about the TU3A KWF system

#142: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:31 pm
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Not that this forum is busy any more or people check these things, but the car is being SORN'd and dry stored soon to complete the work including full respray

#143: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Sim, Location: West Country PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:05 pm
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Sounds awe! Which management have you decided to go with in the end, and how to overcome fly-by-wire bits?

#144: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:13 pm
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All the holes are there in the bulk head for me to convert to cable throttle body if I want to. However, nobody can give me a clear answer as to how much functionality I can retain by doing so (for example, working speedo, ABS etc). Also, it is illegal in the UK to run FBW throttle body on after market ECU. Something interesting to note is that the later 307 EW10 has a VDO thorttle body with all the wiring pins in the same positions as mine, and I have a pre made throttle body spacer plate to help adapt and fit if I require a bigger throttle body.

So after much thinking, talking to expert mappers I am going to buy an identical factory ECU and carefully remove the protective resin coating to expose the pins. There is a mapper I know who is willing to 'bench map' the ECU this way - he is unsure of whether he can scale the injectors until he has a go, but this seems to most logical compromise to me. Worst case scenario is that I have to retain standard injectors. I want the car to pass MOT and be safe with all original functions working more than I want out and out horsepower.

I have also ordered some custom Corbeau reclining seats, and when it goes into storage I will start stripping the interior to get it all done up nicely.

The car is now sitting on some Vortexes wrapped in some rather nice Maxxis Z3's, they are painted in a really chavvy glittery black colour but I want to get them refurbished in Silver. I may even sell the morettes and get masked black Valeos. The idea is to have a totally OEM sport trim with few giveaways to what is under the bonnet when it is done.

#145: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Nic_206, Location: cleaning the car PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:25 pm
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Looking forward to reading about this ive actually still got my old ci tuning 8v turbo kit in my unit also seen you about awhile ago by merry hill/new estate in Kingswinford the 206+ lights look good mate!

#146: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:47 am
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Small world, I thought you lived up north!
Please let me know what parts you have to sell
And thank you!

#147: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Nic_206, Location: cleaning the car PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:25 pm
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That it is and I did then got with a girl from springhill engaged kids all that live in Cannock now but she has family all round your way! Aye seen the car a few times tbf! Was going to thumbs up but I thought you would be like who the fecks that

#148: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:32 pm
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Okay so another update.

The car is now SORN and in storage for the work to begin!

Wrapped up and waiting for my next visit

 


Didn't take long for me to come back and start stripping the front end down.

 


 


A tubular exhaust manifold to mount the turbo has been ordered.

 


And today my custom order Corbeau seats arrived.

 



I am thinking of completely doing away with the entire fan housing and using a slim line fan with a thicker core radiator. It's possible for me to have a front crossmember piece fabricated to attach the standard bonnet release system to, and mount the top of the radiator. This is all done to create space for the turbo charger, intercooler and oil cooler system.

#149: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Sim, Location: West Country PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 5:18 pm
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Andrew wrote:
I am thinking of completely doing away with the entire fan housing and using a slim line fan with a thicker core radiator. It's possible for me to have a front crossmember piece fabricated to attach the standard bonnet release system to, and mount the top of the radiator. This is all done to create space for the turbo charger, intercooler and oil cooler system.

This is gonna be interesting! Was good to meet you and Pez earlier, looking forward to loads of progress \o/

#150: Re: Andrew's Obsidien Black 206 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 2:28 pm
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Making progress slowly.

The Corbeau seats are now in the car. They are comfy as f**k!

 


And my SAS/Trust Tubular Manifold is now here. Next up on the shopping list is a turbo rebuild kit and billet compressor wheel - when funds allow!

 

#151: Re: Andrew's Turbo 206 Build Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 3:29 pm
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A bit of progress today in the way of test fitting the manifold and offering up the turbo. I have ran into a few issues as you can see below.

I taken out most of the studs on the head to just about squeeze it past the power steering pipes (which I have always considered to be an eyesore). At first glance you may think it looks fine, but the external wastegate flange fouls the pipes. I need to consider my options in either getting the pipes replaced with custom made ones, or finding out if there is another 206 or PSA model that has the power steering pump on the same place but with the pipes routed down the left hand side of the engine.

 


 


The next slight concern is how close the external wastegate flange is to the radiator hose. I am going to get the manifold ceramic coated at some point and hope that the radiant temperature doesn't affect that hose.

 


And wait - there's more! If I offer the turbo up with the hot side on the right, it fouls the block and line up with the flange.

 


If I offer it up with the hot side to the left, the downpipe piece sits nicely and it mates up to the manifold flange. However, it leaves me very little room for fitting any pipework from the impeller to an intake filter, as you can see on the very far top right of this picture the radiator hose bend is in the way.

 


Lastly, although minor, the dipstick mounting blocks the manifold seating onto the face of the head, which can be sorted by grinding some of the mounting to suit. Everything looks a little dirty right now but I intend to get everything painted properly once the initial teething issues are sorted.

 


With what I have learned today, I am in half a mind to sell the turbo in favour of a smaller GT17 that is more likely to fit in the space without impacting other components. The guys who made my manifold recommended a GT17 for my car. As this is an excerise and learning curve for a bit of fun rather than a quest for balls-out power, I'd be happy running a turbo capable of 7-10psi.

#152: Re: Andrew's Turbo 206 Build Author: Sim, Location: West Country PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 8:21 pm
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Any news Andrew boy? Nom Nom Droolage!

#153: Re: Andrew's Turbo 206 Build Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:18 pm
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Hey Sim, not so much recently. There is a Citroen C2 model that I can rob the power steering pipes from to re route them out the way of the turbo and be more aesthetically pleasing.

The next job, is for me and "Big Andy" to strip down the engine bay and prepare it for painting. I have settled on this colour for the bay and the whole car - Range Rover Santorini Black, as seen below on a customer's car I detailed some years ago

 


Currently most of my theory and research is being put into a suitable engine management that can retain the fly by wire throttle body (removing it will render the dashboard and ABS useless). Perhaps leaving the factory ECU in control of the throttle body, and then sharing some sensors as input for an Omex 600 piggyback will just about suffice. The injectors that I have are the 380cc ones from Matty's old turbo thread 6 years ago. I assume a rising rate fuel pressure regular will also help.

#154: Re: Andrew's Turbo 206 Build Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 3:12 pm
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Why not just let the standard ecu think it's still controlling the throttle body? Leave all the wiring but mount the TB or part of it elsewhere in the engine bay? Can the wiring to the pedal remain while also allowing it to operate a cable?

#155: Re: Andrew's Turbo 206 Build Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:10 pm
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From what I have found, the throttle pedal and it's pedal box control unit must be removed in order to convert to a cable body. I am wholly keen to incorporate the DBW body into this build in the interest of safety and getting things to retain functionality as much as possible. Also there are Models just the same as mine in Brazil that have achieved 220hp from a 1.4 motor by using a piggyback AND retain DBW. EFI parts has told me that a plug and play Canbus ECU is available for the Clio 182 turbo conversion retaining DBW, but being such a rare model my 2007 has little support compared to such a popular car. He suggested to research using the Omex 600 in the way I said in my post above. Mike Evans Motorsport replaced my 1.4 engine when another place rendered it useless by not tightening a radiator hose jubilee clip up properly; Mike and co got the 1.6 replacement, auxilary differences and Kent hot cam timed and working great, on standard management and since then I trust them to find out what's what being as they deal directly with Omex - they're going to give them a ring on Monday

#156: Re: Andrew's Turbo 206 Build Author: Sim, Location: West Country PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:12 pm
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Looks like the wheels are turning at your end Andrew, great!

That colour has some fleck to it Smile More than metallic or pearlescent, similar to a finish of that of a TVR or a custom paint one mate did on a Jag (glitter is seen only when one moves Smile )

Another fun fact with those flakes: red sporty Mazdas from late 2000s have golden fleck in the paint, that is visible only in sunshine:)

And I'll keep an eye on your turbo progress, your rare model is giving you a proper challenge job Smile Say hello to the Big Andy!

#157: Re: Andrew's Turbo 206 Build Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:39 pm
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A massive change in plan has come about, as a result of being offered something too good to turn away. So this is the end of the 8 valve turbo dream.

So yesterday I started clearing things out of the engine bay for a couple of hours, ready for the block and gearbox to be removed.
 


Hello sweetheart.
 

#158: Re: Andrew's Turbo 206 Build Author: Sim, Location: West Country PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:05 pm
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Dayum!! Which lump is tha Nom Nom Droolage!

As we say back home: good start = half job done! Wink

#159: Re: Andrew's Turbo 206 Build Author: Nic_206, Location: cleaning the car PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:40 pm
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Looks good mate as stated on Facebook will be a good little conversion what box are you going to run with it?

#160: Re: Andrew's Turbo 206 Build Author: Sim, Location: West Country PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:22 pm
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Nic_206 wrote:
Looks good mate as stated on Facebook will be a good little conversion what box are you going to run with it?

Now even more intriguing Very Happy

#161: Re: Andrew's Turbo 206 Build Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:44 pm
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It just made sense really! It's a BE1.

Fuelling needs looking at down the line, I am looking at a Walbro 255, but a little confused as to what happens with an FPR. My car as standard does not have a fuel return either.

I now understand what Edward meant about the throttle body. It's going to have to remain connected to the standard ECU and be hidden away somewhere, just so that ECU still thinks it's controlling something, then the Omex takes care of the rest.

#162: Re: Andrew's ITB 206 Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:30 pm
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It's been much longer than I thought with updates. The last two days I have degreased the engine bay, keyed the surfaces and painted in Satin Black. Originally I wanted a professional spray job but would rather save the money for the little things that will be required to get the engine running - my patience for the lack of progress has worn thin as of late.

 


 


 

#163: Re: Andrew's ITB 206 Project Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:37 pm
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You'll need an EW/DW subframe.

#164: Re: Andrew's ITB 206 Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:50 pm
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#165: Re: Andrew's ITB 206 Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:51 pm
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Edward wrote:
You'll need an EW/DW subframe.

I have a GTI180 one on the side Smile
My next dilemma is power steering, hydraulic will be easier considering that there is already a sensor in the pipework, that section can be cut out and welded into whatever gets fabricated. Or if I go electric, a resistor could be put in the sensor to trick the OEM ECU.

After that, I need to get my friend who is an expert with Omex to have a day with me, cut out all the wiring that is not needed, drop the engine in, and go from there.

The engine will need a flywheel that is suitable for the crank position sensor, I need suitable driveshafts

#166: Re: Andrew's ITB 206 Project Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:40 pm
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If you are using the Omex you don't need the pressure sensor in the PAS pipe. Why not fit a Saxo pump? Or is that the plan?

#167: Re: Andrew's ITB 206 Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:31 am
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The engine is now in on Vibratechnics top engine mount, but the hole on gearbox one is too small for the prong on the gearbox to fit through; for the time being it is just sat on the standard one.

Also the top mount bracket is from the wrong car and it's curvature is causing the engine to sit wonky, so I've ordered a 406 XU bracket as we cross referenced it to a picture of Racerxbon's old 206 GTi-6.

Another issue may be the exhaust manifold fouling the bulkhead. The engine has been fitted without it, as it was pointless finding out until the mounting issues are sorted.

 


 


 

#168: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:22 am
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A replacement top engine mount bracket has been identified as one from the Xsara VTS, and has been purchased from eBay. Just needs some Deox-c treatment and a coat of Hammerite.

Rather than send the Vibratechnics gearbox mount back just yet, it's probably worth seeing if the 'prong' on the gearbox can be swapped for one from a BE 206, or even my old MA gearbox. This BE1 gearbox on the engine is from a 205 hence the slight difference and small stumbling block.

Also, today I have picked up my custom fabricated radiator from City Radiator Services in Bilston. I left them with the original radiator and they made a replica with a 40mm thick core (standard was 19mm) and an "S type" water passage arrangement meaning that the air passing through the veins will reach the water passages more efficiently. Rather than fit a GTi180 radiator, I was keen to retain the original compact dimensions as it sits to the right of the engine bay; in theory keeping heat away from the throttle bodies, and leaving space on the left hand side for some kind of cold air intake from the grille.

 


 


There are multiple tasks that need sorting next:
Send GTi180 subframe off to be shot blasted and powder coated
New wishbones
Polybushes
Order 306 hydraulic power steering pump and have lines made up to match up to the steering rack
Obtain GTi wheel hubs and driveshaft set up

#169: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: spike_202, Location: West mids PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:27 am
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what is the internal spec of the gti6 lump?

#170: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:57 am
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It has reprofiled cams and is pretty much standard apart from that. I need the last owner to find out the sheet of the exact cam profile data, but it's moderate - not too lairy

Having said that a lot if money was spent on it with all new gaskets etc

#171: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:25 pm
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A bit more progress today in fitting the new engine mount bracket, stripped down the GTi subframe and other bits to go to the powdercoaters, and of course a gratuitous interior shot with the nice new carpet mats.

 


 


 


Waiting for delivery of Mi16 upgraded clutch plate and cover. The lightened flywheel in the picture has the timing teeth machined away so I am getting a standard one and then having that lightened and balanced. Next purchase will be some driveshafts so that the subframe and transmission can all be sorted back onto the car at the same time.

 


 

#172: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:33 pm
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I'd weigh that flywheel. Don't know what the Gti-6 flywheel weighs but standard 138 gti flywheel weighs 6.6kg. My TTV flywheel weighs 4.4kg and the difference isn't hugely noticeable.
So if that lightened flywheel isn't much lighter than 6.6kg I would waste money getting one lightened.

Those teeth for the crank sensor look ok.

What gearbox are you using?

#173: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:21 pm
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Hi Teddy/Edward/Paul (what can I call you?) haha. I read the first 40 pages of your thread the other day and there are certainly many lessons I have learned from it! Having a proper loom made for when I get the Omex 710 being the main one.

I turned the lightened one away in favour of a standard Mi16 one with the timing teeth. The Pug1off Mi16 lightened flywheel weighs 3.9kg, we know someone that could take a bit off this standard one, but are you implying it's not worth it?

I guess you could call my car FrankenPeugeot. 206 with a 306 engine, 405 clutch and flywheel, and a 205 BE1 gearbox! Tops out at 125mph apparantly

#174: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:54 pm
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Well mine is 2/3rds the weight of the original...if you sit there revving the engine you might notice a difference. I'm sure there is a difference but it hardly shoots up the rev range like a motorbike or Ferrari... it's OK but I wouldn't go out of your way to add anything lighter. It's just very subtle.

#175: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:50 pm
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Thanks. For what it has cost I think I will still go for a lighten and balance. What clutch do you use?

#176: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:16 pm
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I just use a standard Valeo clutch.

#177: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: spike_202, Location: West mids PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:45 pm
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any plans for upping the power? internal head work ect? these are proven engine with great tunabiliy, pug1off do tuning packages at stages on these they've been using them for so long with years of experience. If i could go back I would of had one fitted as I would be at around 250bhp with what I've put into the 138 to be at circa 220. I did mine work as a 21st birthday present to my self I'm nearly 29 at the time I was at a budget so couldn't afford the extra expense at the time. but more than happy how my project has gone.
would be good to meet up when your sorted.

#178: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:24 pm
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The plan is to get it running as it is, the beauty of map-able management is that down the line I can modify and adjust once more. I will for certain end up forging and doing head work, but I want to make the baby steps of getting it to work reliably - and then start sprinting down the line! Of course we should have a meet, I see you are in the West Midlands too, you should come along to the mapping session when it happens Smile

Also, Maniflow have said if I buy their 306 GTi manifold I can test fit it, if it fouls the bulkhead they will give a refund on return which is cool

Edit: transmission stuff arrived today, the total weight of the clutch, cover, standard flyhweel and bearing is 12.2kg

#179: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:13 pm
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Subframe, front anti-roll bar and rocker covers now back from refurbishment. Next up will be some Group A wishbones, and some GTi driveshafts before it all gets fitted. Then it will be time to start saving for Maniflow exhaust headers. Baby steps, but I hope to have the car on the road by the summer.

 

#180: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:17 pm
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You might already plan to do this but fit the wishbones to the subframe before it gets fitted to the car.

#181: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: PezHdi, Location: Shrewsbury PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:11 am
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Wise words from Edward. They are pig to get my wishbones in the subframe with the polybushes in.
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#182: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:31 pm
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Otherwise the wishbones are angled down to clear the hub when sliding them into the subframe. That means the bushes get jammed on the way in. There must be about 0.00001 mm clearance between bush and subframe.

#183: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:38 am
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Thanks! Edward, are the Group A wishbones polybushed as they are?

#184: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:43 am
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No. They have two metal bearings/bushes instead of the normal one rubber and one metal bush that's fitted to GTi/ XSI/CC models.

#185: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:01 am
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Have now got Wishbones and 180 driveshafts. I ordered Lemforder ones but they messaged me to say they only have Moog in stock and have offered a 3 year warranty. Have also ordered a full set of Polybushes which should arrive next week. Also I need to make time to pick up my new Subfame bolts from the dealers.

I'm pretty sure I will need 180 hubs also.

#186: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:01 pm
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180, 138 and DW10 hubs are all the same. Basically anything that uses a BE4 gearbox uses the same hubs.

#187: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:18 pm
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Thanks Edward I'll get thisordered next and hopefully should be able to fit all these "underneath parts" soon

Is there anything else I'm missing?

#188: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Sim, Location: West Country PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:11 am
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Gotta love the shiny subframe Cool

What power is your project looking to get out from that lump?

#189: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:48 am
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I've been told it it will be around 215hp once mapped.

I reassembled the front end a couple of weeks back, and tarted up the driveshafts and knuckles. But I am still stuck with this gearbox mount, it just isn't the right size for the BE1 box, and a 205 mount won't work either...

 

 

 

 

#190: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:08 am
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What's wrong with the mount?

#191: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:35 am
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You thought about swapping that fuel rail for one with JIC fittings?

You can connect to the standard Peugeot fuel pipe under the car.

#192: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:44 am
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The threaded bar on the gearbox is too thick for the hole, because this is a Be1 box from a 205 it's not really meant to fit.. should I just get another gearbox?

Where can i get one of those? That sounds good.

#193: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:49 am
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I've got the mount from the old Picasso box of mine. I will measure it.

Actually the mounting stud isn't there anymore. It's 12mm anyway!
That's the end that goes into the mount on the gearbox anyway.

#194: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:10 am
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The strange thing is it fits just fine in the standard mount that came with the car

 

#195: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:19 pm
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Hi all.

Some developments. The GTi-6 Engine was wider than the 206 mounting points would accept, resulting in the engine sitting on the twist. The solution to this would have involved various cut and shut attempts at repositioning engine mounting points to get it to sit straight. I could have continued at high expense to get this done, only possibly to find that the electronics involved with my late model somehow preventing the older engine from working; even with an Omex.

Equation: Unsupported late model Multiplex Fly By Wire set up + Older Pre-plex Cable Body Engine + Re-welding Engine Points + After-market Management = Possible Recipe for Disaster.

I didn't want to take the car beyond the point of no return. So I bought my old 1.6 8v engine back, as it was with Cometic MLS gasket and Kent PT40 camshaft. I have purchased a Series 1 106 Rallye inlet plenum (for the second time now!) and still have the adaptor plate that my friend made for me to accept my FBW throttle body all those years ago. So next up is a "00-00" Z02 cylinder head to accept this inlet plenum to sort the top end, which I will get port and polished with three angle valve seats, and some larger model Peugeot injectors to stop it leaning out too much.

When I put the car in storage, the thrust bearing was shot, making it hard to select gears. I have today ordered a Helix upgraded thrust bearing. There is a GTi180 brake master cylinder waiting to fit, as well as various poly-bushes. My final part on order is a low 5th gear from the Citroen AX 4x4, which will drop my 70mph rpm from 3250 to 2900. Apart from this, all I need to do is source PAS pipes from an earlier model which go down the left hand side, nicely tucked away rather than going across the exhaust manifold, and I'm pretty much set to have this car back on the road.

I enjoyed meeting Stewart, Sim, and Matt at this year's Pugfest; my first in 4 years. So even though the forum is quiet, members are still socially active.

PS, Photobucket have withdrawn my images on this thread due to hotlinking, demanding a ransom of $400 to continue posting pictures in the same vein, so I give my apologies for lack of pictures here on in. Please add me on www.facebook.com/andrewxsouthall or see my blog www.detailedbyandrew.com/blog for any pictures on the car.

#196: Re: Andrew's XU10 ITB 206 Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:58 pm
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So nearly a year since I posted on this thread. Sim told me that my photo bucket pictures have been restored by the admin here so I am really grateful. I still have the car, and whilst progress has been slow earlier this year things are now getting a move on. What started as treating some surface rust in the arches has turned into a bit of a nut and bolt jobby. Currently the subframe is removed and off for shot blast and powdercoating.

Here are some pictures of things going on at the moment:


 


 


 


 


 

#197: Re: Andrew's Project Author: RoweY, Location: Middlesbrough PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:47 pm
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What did you use on the rust mate ? my 180's starting to rust in the exact same spot

#198: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Rubyoptics, Location: Warsaw - Poland PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:05 pm
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These build threads are a real inspiration. Thank you

#199: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:50 pm
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For the rust I used: (all Bilt Hamber)

Deox Gel to kill the rust (multiple applications)
Electrox primer (zinc rich anti corrosion)
Hydrate 80 on any remaining stubborn bits and pitted areas
Electrox again

Going to apply Epoxy mastic and then Dynax UB to basically throw the kitchen sink at it and hope that it buys me some time before it reappears.

The gearbox is currently with my friend at Autocare Dudley for him to swap the 5th gear for one that I sourced from a Citroen AX 4x4 (smallest 5th gear available) to drop the revs at 70mph by around 500rpm. He also has my hub knuckles to remove the wheel bearings so that they are powdercoated before new bearings are fitted.

I have wishbones that have been fitted with Powerflex bushes also! More pictures as and when. Cheers folks.

#200: Re: Andrew's Project Author: VorTechS, Location: Gloucestershire, UK PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:46 am
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Dude. Awesome.

#201: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:14 pm
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Moving along with some updates. So with the engine bay pretty much empty the subframe was sent away to the powdercoaters.

 


As part of my detailing business I sometimes apply ceramic coatings and a job I did this week was as spraying the coating onto the alloy wheels, so this has given me an idea to coat the subframe and all of the little bits before they go back on.

 


Next up I sent my gearbox to the mechanics to change the 5th gear, but as I found out they need to be changed in pairs. Peugeot printed this diagram and said I might have to change the whole line and they don't make the synchro anymore. But I think, looking at it, that just changing the gear that it marries to will work. For anyone interested in MA boxes (lol) the Citroën AX 4x4 was the only model to have a 0,66 sized 5th gear. This gearbox being from a 1.1 needs this change to bring the revs down at 70mph. This hasn't turned out to be a cheap job at all.

 

 


Lastly, and I feel guilty for spending money like this but what with the Corbeau seats, a matching steering wheel had to be done. Custom Control are the people that did they work, taking a standard wheel and doing a reshape and retrim as I wanted it. The idea was that I wanted something that didn't upset the police if I get pulled over, so keeping the airbag was a better idea than a racing wheel.

 

#202: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Sim, Location: West Country PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:43 pm
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Literally amazing, I think you're the first one ever who applied ceramic coating to the subframe (how does the 180 differ from the rest BTW?)

Interested as to how the coating will fare on the alloys, as they get abused the most.

And if I ever decide to mod the steering wheel, l'll certainly consider Custom Control. Airbag's the top priority, looks is the 2nd Smile
For OEM clean projects I'd go with something like www.ebay.co.uk/itm/263481970434 but this particular one on eBay looks slightly off-colour Smile

#203: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:10 am
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The 180 subframe was required when I was going to run the XU10 as it is slightly different shaped for how things all fit together, no real upgrade as such.

Yes a ceramic coating on alloys can easily last 2 years!

You're right, can never be too safe (from crashes and the police).

Last night I got some epoxy mastic applied inside the arch.

 

#204: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:26 pm
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Doesn't the 180 subframe have mounts for the exhaust on It?

#205: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:10 pm
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Sadly I didn't have it long enough to study it!

A couple more bits from the powdercoaters. The matching 5th gear has been ordered straight to the garage.


 

#206: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:34 pm
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More updates. For my 106 rallye inlet I needed a cylinder head with matching port spaces, so I found one on eBay months ago. It's just come back from NWS Motor Services after a full clean, skim and 3 angle valve seats cut. I have sent my front calipers off for refurbishment at BCS Automotive, and I have purchased some Ferodo Ds2500 brake pads from Addaz t/a Chafer Racing Developments. A local company called [name removed] are currently in the process of making an adaptor to enable my FBW throttle body to fit the rallye inlet, complete with reducer pipe so there is no 'step'. My gearbox is back from the 5th gear change too.

 


Fancy steering wheel has been fitted. Very race car much swanky.

 

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#207: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Sim, Location: West Country PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:07 pm
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Wow loads of developments ongoing! Keep 'em comin'!

I'm at a crossroad of the best underbody sealing practices:
  • How to prevent rust from coming back from within (=remove current spots completely). Not considering acid, but have you blasted your arches with soda/sand/aluminium grains or just trust the convertor?
  • If I choose a self-curing gunk-base sticky solution (like Dinitrol), it won't ever chip, but will be a pain to remove in case a repair work needs carrying out
  • If I choose hardening solution (like Hammerite or the products you used), they most probably will chip due to elements or body flex, unless the combination of layers is carefully picked and applied correctly

So I'm eagerly waiting for when you'll put your rust-proofing to the road test Smile


PS: just noticed a cringe-worthy pun above: trust -> t-rust

#208: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:19 pm
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Hey Sim, where the rust treatment was concerned I used most of Bilt Hamber's products. To start, Deox Gel to remove the rust, reapplying over and over. From there, Electrox primered the whole area, applying Hydrate 80 converter on previously rusted areas, and then Electrox over again. A layer of Epoxy Mastic was applied, and then more recently a layer of Satin Black paint over the top. Rust is never 100% treatable but you can always bide some time.

#209: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:41 pm
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[name removed] have finished their work on the inlet adaptor and just waiting on rubber gaskets to be made. DTA S80 Ecu can run FBW.

 

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#210: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:36 pm
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Front calipers back from full refurbishment.

 

#211: Re: Andrew's Project Author: VorTechS, Location: Gloucestershire, UK PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:39 am
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They look smart!

#212: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:59 pm
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Thanks VortechS

 


 


New track rods and ends arrived today. Didn't seem to have a rubber dust cover unless the plastic thing counts which I doubt. Also ordered MTEC dimpled and grooved discs with the protective coating which should arrive soon.

Rushworth have my cylinder head and 106 rallye inlet which is being port matched to the Spoox inlet gaskets so there isn't a step hindering air flow.

Seeing Pez soon to swap over suspension and then should start putting everything back together.

#213: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Sim, Location: West Country PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:04 pm
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Yummy!

Maybe Meyle are following the MOOGs with integrated dust cap? Smile www.moog-suspension-pa...-boots.asp

#214: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:55 am
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Ah I see! I shall have a closer look.

Hubs are back now, Febi Bilstein faces and Moog bearings. MTEC dimpled and grooved have arrived also. Rushworth have the inlet back to plumb in a MAP sensor, and have port matched the inlet tract to the Spoox gaskets I have. I should hopefully start to have a bit of time to myself to actually get things on the car soon.

 


 

#215: Re: Andrew's Project Author: VorTechS, Location: Gloucestershire, UK PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:09 am
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Let us know how those discs are! I just had a look at their website and the prices seem very reasonable!

#216: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:00 pm
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Front hubs look great.

#217: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:08 pm
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Thanks guys.

MTEC discs are good to be honest. This is my second set, the first I had on the front, back in 2011/12 and they held up really well on a track day in Donington. I replaced them recently because they disintegrated from being sat in the damp for a year at the place the car was previously kept stood.

I'm happy enough with the hubs, the mechanic who pressed the bearings for me said they look better than new and I'm hopeful the powder coat will hold for a couple of years. I had to aerosol a bit of Electrox inside them as the powder didn't get in there but all is well.

I'm having a day with Pezhdi soon to swap our axles so I will have the disc rear axle, and also his front Eibach Bilstein springs and shocks which I would like refurbished.

#218: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:12 pm
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OK so a month on from my last update.

Subframe refitted.

 


Bilstein B8 shocks from Pez's car soda blasted. Waiting for paint. Eibach springs being blasted and powdefcoated but not back yet.

 


 


GTi180 master cylinder fitted (I know I need to fit the nuts to hold on) - it was a fiddly job getting the thicker brake lines nes fitted to the ABS unit.

 


OBP quickshift also from Pez's car. Has since had a black leather gaiter with red stick and a different gear knob.

 


Gearbox had been soda blasted and I chose to paint this myself in Aluminium Gris RAL 9007 along with the selector bar.

 


Valve train has been swapped over from the existing head to the head that suits the 106 rallye inlet.

 

#219: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:16 pm
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Fitting the springs and dampers back onto the car was so difficult especially with the poly bushed wishbones. Thaks to some advice from Addaz I loosened the subframe down a little bit, and used a block of wood to jack up the hub/bottom of the damper whilst levering the ball joint and fighting it underneath simultaneously.

 

#220: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Steve206, Location: UK PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:35 pm
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Isnt it going to be difficult getting your driveshafts into the hub now with the wishbones fitted? I mean as well as connecting them to the gearbox.

#221: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:05 pm
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They managed to remove OK without taking the wishbones out. I'll think of something for sure.

#222: Re: Andrew's Project Author: spike_202, Location: West mids PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:34 pm
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Nice to see updates mate. I've just started to tinker with mine again but the fun didn't last haha

#223: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Howey, Location: Kings Lynn PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:01 pm
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Looks good buddy! Must be one of the longest projects! Must be 8 years now?!

#224: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Sim, Location: West Country PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:02 pm
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Andrew wrote:
They managed to remove OK without taking the wishbones out. I'll think of something for sure.

I bet the gearbox/engine wasn't there or loosened on the mounts, keep up posted on updates mate, going great! Smile

#225: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:39 am
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Good afternoon folks.

There are some updates as things have been rolling along nicely.


 


 


 



The engine is currently being built and I hope to have it back on the road by the end of April.

#226: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:03 pm
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Engine block now built up by [name removed] with just a couple of odds and ends to finish, and then the car can be tailored for a refit. All I need now is a Helix Clutch, battery, rear hand brake cables to fit my disc axle, sparks, 180 injectors, maybe a few bolts and fluids.

 


 

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#227: Re: Andrew's Project Author: dedeno1, Location: SAINT NAZAIRE (FRANCE) PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:06 am
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Amazing work Very Happy

#228: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 8:27 pm
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Little update there is currently a hold up in the form of piston to head contact. So much so that turning it over by hand kicked the head up by about 1.5mm, my gasket is 1.7mm thick but this wouldn't have allowed a lot for thermal or kinetic expansion not to mention a quarter of the squish area being blocked from having an even burn. The head is currently with Pug1off as they have done this sort of work to this particular head design before so hopefully a bit of machining to the cylinder head will sort the clearance.

I really want this car back on the road for Pugfest but it really is looking like squeeky bum time in that regard.


 



 

#229: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Sim, Location: West Country PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 10:45 pm
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Sorry to hear you're having holdups, but that's an inevitable part of every great project!

It will be generic car park time at Pugfest for me, the 180 I'm currently working on will certainly won't reach show appearance mark by that time, but would be great to see you and the lot again!

#230: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Dare PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:01 pm
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Great work! Amazing car!
What is that screen you have in it?

#231: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:38 pm
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Hi Dare the screen is from iceboxautos on ebay

Update on the car there isn't much I can say at this point but shall we just say the engine has ended up in Pug1off's hands to remedy and finish.

Will keep you all updated.

#232: Re: Andrew's Project Author: spike_202, Location: West mids PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:26 am
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Andrew wrote:
Thanks VortechS

 


 


New track rods and ends arrived today. Didn't seem to have a rubber dust cover unless the plastic thing counts which I doubt. Also ordered MTEC dimpled and grooved discs with the protective coating which should arrive soon.

Rushworth have my cylinder head and 106 rallye inlet which is being port matched to the Spoox inlet gaskets so there isn't a step hindering air flow.

Seeing Pez soon to swap over suspension and then should start putting everything back together.

I'm currently in the process of replacing my cracked manifold so while I've got the subframe off and access to everything I'm going to swap everthing. What sort of job is changing the inner track rods like? Not seen anyone do them just the ends.

#233: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Steve206, Location: UK PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:54 pm
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It’s easy spike. Easier than the ends I would say, as long as there not to rusted!

#234: Re: Andrew's Project Author: spike_202, Location: West mids PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:35 pm
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Steve206 wrote:
It’s easy spike. Easier than the ends I would say, as long as there not to rusted!

So just a case of get some pipe grips and start turning?
Whats the torque setting for the new fitments back on the rack?

#235: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Steve206, Location: UK PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:06 am
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Yeah exactly the same as the ends, not sure on the torque settings sorry

#236: Re: Andrew's Project Author: spike_202, Location: West mids PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:28 am
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Steve206 wrote:
Yeah exactly the same as the ends, not sure on the torque settings sorry

What's it like getting the steering rack off the car? As i might aswell do it all off the car if it comes off easy.

#237: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Steve206, Location: UK PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:56 pm
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I would imagine it’s a subframe off or engine out job. Have you got problems with it?

#238: Re: Andrew's Project Author: spike_202, Location: West mids PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:41 pm
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Steve206 wrote:
I would imagine it’s a subframe off or engine out job. Have you got problems with it?

No just wanted to replace all the parts i can get at whike the subframe is iff mate

#239: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Steve206, Location: UK PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:04 pm
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You know what they say....if it aint broke dont fix it!

#240: Re: Andrew's Project Author: spike_202, Location: West mids PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:52 pm
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Steve206 wrote:
You know what they say....if it aint broke dont fix it!

Or...... if a job's worth doing do it well lol. I'd rather do it now i have everything stripped down and easy acess.

#241: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:59 pm
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Teaser picture from Pug1off!

 


Internals re-assembled and timed up by the looks. I was told by Sim at Pugfest I ought to elaborate on the spec so here goes:

Wossner high compression pistons (11.8 to 1, although this may be lower due to machine work to the head domes, they will have worked this out I am yet to speak to them)
PEC rods and ARP bolts
King race bearings
Pug1off billet flywheel
Pug1off port and polished headwork
Kent PT40 Camshaft
Piper upgraded springs and retainers
Piper Vernier Pulley
Cometic head gasket
Helix upgrade clutch bearing
106 S1 Rallye inlet
City Radiators custom radiator (40mm thick over standard 19mm)
1.1 gearbox with AX 4x4 5th gear ratio
1.6 injectors for now, will see how it goes or what Pug1off recommend
NGK sparks
4-2-1 manifold
2.25 inch exhaust system with 200 cell cat
Power flex polybushes
4H Tech quickshift
Pug1off gear linkage set
MTEC disxs
Ferodo DS2500 pads
Braided lines
GTi 180 front ARB
Eibach/Bilstein
180 rear axle with Peugeot Sport 21mm torsion bars
And probably some other bits I forgot

I'm really looking forward to driving this car again it has been far too long. Fingers crossed its sometime soon!

#242: Re: Andrew's Project Author: spike_202, Location: West mids PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:04 pm
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I though the work shop looked familiar Wink

#243: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Sim, Location: West Country PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:36 pm
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Nice long-as-an-arm list of specs! I'm curious as to what ultimately led to the choices of makes and models of those Wink

#244: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 4:26 pm
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Getting there


 

#245: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Sim, Location: West Country PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:54 pm
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Wow squeaky clean and really can't wait to hear her roar.. I meant rawr!

#246: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:55 pm
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Running!

youtu.be/14wAzzml-XI

#247: Re: Andrew's Project Author: VorTechS, Location: Gloucestershire, UK PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:51 am
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Andrew wrote:
Running!

youtu.be/14wAzzml-XI

Looks and sounds beautiful! Look forward to seeing this in the flesh, so to speak... Smile

#248: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:48 pm
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Cheers Stu, it's back on the road now. It was nice to drive it home from Pug1off, the first time it had driven in nearly 4 years. I now have to run it in which means no more than half revs or half throttle for a thousand miles so I'm just doing laps around the local village when I get time. Then it will be time for an oil change.

On the recommendation of Pug1Off I'm booked in with RS Tuning in the next couple of weeks to hopefully get it mapped as with the nature of these modifications it is quite telling of needing some software alterations. A couple of flat spots here and there and a little hesitant when pulling away from a stop that's all. Pug1off were excellent in the face of a frustrating job for them, all hardware is pretty much sorted it's just software now and then time to enjoy.

#249: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:00 pm
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Well 10 months after last update a fair amount has been done. This includes, and is largely thanks to PUG1OFF:
- Downsized exhaust system from 2.5 to 2.25 as it was just rediculously loud even with a mid-box. It drives better just because of this. (DKU Performance custom job)
- Alfa Romeo 2.0 T Spark Injectors
- Rear disc conversion and transferred 180 ARB to join existing Grp N torsion bars. Poly bushed.
- Replaced suspension with H&R Cup Kit. Softer than old Eibach from Pez, I think because his was a 2ltr HDi. It was shaking the car too bits just going over a manhole cover.
- Cupra R Splitter and customised Zunsport grille.
- Sniffed CAN system to see how much work will be needed to make a Pro Tune ECU work.

I plan to get them to do a turbo set up, circa 280hp, with upgraded gearbox input shaft bearing and diff. They will have to either Mill the high compression pistons down, or change for low comp pistons to do this. Everything else is already in place in terms of engine internals strength.


 

#250: Re: Andrew's Project Author: ekjdm14, Location: Cheshire PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:24 am
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Ho-ly... that's looking good will have to make time to read the whole thread later on, 280bhp should be fun but what's it running at the moment?

#251: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Sim, Location: West Country PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:35 am
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Nice one buddy! I kept catching a glimpse of this 206 on your YouTube channel next to the new detailing van, kudos for keeping it all French!
It's been nearly a year since we saw your project in flesh and steel, I bet VorTechS is keen to see the transformations since his last shotgun ride Very Happy

#252: Re: Andrew's Project Author: VorTechS, Location: Gloucestershire, UK PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:30 am
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Sim wrote:
Nice one buddy! I kept catching a glimpse of this 206 on your YouTube channel next to the new detailing van, kudos for keeping it all French!
It's been nearly a year since we saw your project in flesh and steel, I bet VorTechS is keen to see the transformations since his last shotgun ride Very Happy

I sure am!

Even though it was only being gently run-in when I got a ride, you could feel the potential! Nothing but <3 for this car.... Smile

#253: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:28 pm
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Cheers guys muchos appreciated! Since Stu had a ride it runs a lot better now, we just need to get this ECU on the car. I can't believe that was a year ago already.

#254: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:27 pm
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So a very long time no speak once again.

The car has been sat for around four months and driving it today the throttle pedal started getting stuck, but only on partial throttle. That was fun!

A good phone call with Matt @ PUG1OFF was due anyway to plan the next step for this car. So the FBW system is going to be binned anyway! Some may think it is crazy for this engine, but we are going down the route of upgrading the cam even further for something quite spicy from CatCams, and fit some 42mm Jenvey ITB's on top of an Emerald ECU. This work will be going ahead late spring/early summer. After that, I would like to get the bodywork tidied up, and then have a Quaife ATB diff fitted to finish this project off. Once these things are done, I doubt there will be much left of anything to change!

#255: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Sim, Location: West Country PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:29 pm
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Long awaited updates; and binning FBW for the 2nd time in the history of this project is certainly not for the faint-hearted Very Happy

#256: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:15 pm
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Well guys, the ITBs, CatCam 205 and Emerald ECU got done this summer.


 

#257: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:47 pm
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Looks nice and neat.

#258: Re: Andrew's Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:03 pm
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Thank you Edward

FYI to all:

 



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