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#1: Timing won't start 206 Sport 1.1 ended thread Author: formula1john, Location: East Midlands UK Earth PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:37 pm
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[video width=250 height=200]https://youtu.be/CXzHIevDZss[/video]

youtu.be/CXzHIevDZss


Hi I need help, My son owns a 206 1.1 sport 8 v on an 06 plate.
it has always used water but no signs of head gasket 1 was a leak in to the passenger side foot well "O" rings, then it looked like a slight weep on the radiator about a month ago.
Then he rang me saying the temp had shot up and he put 2 litres of water in it.
a couple of days later it has a slight misfire then on the way home the light of doom.
I plugged in the Mac Tools scanner.
P1337
P0301
both are cylinder 1. I took the oil cap off and we had chocolate shake, I looked in to the breather pipes chocolate shake. I took out plug 1 water on the plug.
Head Gasket.

I phoned the local parts people Macpa in leicester and they sorted all I needed for the change.
Job done cleaned everything the gasket was worse than I would have dreamed it amazed me it was running.
As I took it apart I had done my research and pinned the camshaft as well as marking the bottom crank pulley, so I put it back together with everything lined up but it turned over sounding bad and no fire. I didn't try any more. spent hours resetting it and as soon as I turned it over by hand way out.
I then did loads of searches and found out about the flywheel lock but for the life of me could not find the hole, then I found there are 2 holes and you need the top one behind the oil filter, I then set the cam and then set the crank pin and put the belts back.
This time I have it spinning it has fuel but it does not sound right all the fault codes are clear but it half fires but not any wear near right.
I am lost I have changed head gaskets before and never had anything that has frustrated me to the point of wanting to smash it with the biggest hammer I have before this.
PLEASE HELP.
UPDATE

I did some serious checks no piston or valve damage.
I also checked coil pack and plugs were working.
I checked the valves were opening & Closing when they should.
I checked the wiring and that seems fine

I am lost.

Last edited by formula1john on Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:10 pm; edited 3 times in total

#2: Re: Timing won't start Author: gazza82, Location: South Bucks PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:10 pm
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If it's an interference engine (is the 8v?) you may have damaged the valves if you didn't get the timing right first time .. that head may need to come off again .. Sad

#3: Re: Timing won't start Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ? PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:13 pm
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TU1 is an interference engine.

TU1 is a pretty simple engine to time up - do remember the PSA quirk that cylinder number 1 is the GEARBOX end.

#4: Re: Timing won't start Author: formula1john, Location: East Midlands UK Earth PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:32 pm
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MrBSI wrote:
TU1 is an interference engine.

TU1 is a pretty simple engine to time up - do remember the PSA quirk that cylinder number 1 is the GEARBOX end.
I did note that before I started but thanks when checking everything there were no marks on any pistons and I have turned the engine over by hand watching the rockers and checking for TDC. what bothers me is the sound I would do a compression check but the one I have wont fit down the tubes for the plugs. when I first thought that there was a problem I followed every bit of advice to check for valve damage and I don't think that it is that. I could be wrong! Oh I have checked each plug and thir is fuel getting in, I just wonder if I am missing something, I also note that the valves were set quite well within the heads they looked as if they wouldn't hit the pistons with an invite from the Queen.

#5: Re: Timing won't start Author: formula1john, Location: East Midlands UK Earth PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:34 pm
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gazza82 wrote:
If it's an interference engine (is the 8v?) you may have damaged the valves if you didn't get the timing right first time .. that head may need to come off again .. Sad
Ouch another bill for head bolts I am not 100% sure the valves could hit the pistons they were quite well set in the head.What I do know for sure is that the block had wet liners the heads alloy with the valves sort of recessed they were all working fine and not even a scratch on the pistons I have also been turning the engine over by hand with the plugs removed I have watched the rockers working nothing seems wrong, I believe this car was sent by the devil herself the wife.

#6: Re: Timing won't start Author: formula1john, Location: East Midlands UK Earth PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:52 pm
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Some pix of the workplace I have been spending my life in.
This may reveal something I could have missed.
 


 


 


 


 


Timing pinned

 



 

#7: Re: Timing won't start 206 Sport 1.1 Video Update Author: formula1john, Location: East Midlands UK Earth PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:00 am
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Has this given anyone any ideas as to what is wrong???
youtu.be/CXzHIevDZss

#8: Re: Timing won't start 206 Sport 1.1 Video Update Author: Sim, Location: West Country PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:41 am
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formula1john wrote:
Has this given anyone any ideas as to what is wrong???
youtu.be/CXzHIevDZss

It sounds like the battery is getting tired and might not be able to ignite the mixture (especially if it's fuel-flooded). Might be worth jump-starting the battery.

Have you tried the Easy Start spray into the intake?

#9: Re: Timing won't start 206 Sport 1.1 Video Update Author: formula1john, Location: East Midlands UK Earth PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:40 pm
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Sim wrote:
formula1john wrote:
Has this given anyone any ideas as to what is wrong???
youtu.be/CXzHIevDZss

It sounds like the battery is getting tired and might not be able to ignite the mixture (especially if it's fuel-flooded). Might be worth jump-starting the battery.

Have you tried the Easy Start spray into the intake?
Hi thanks for the reply I have tried jumping it a while ago it made no difference then but since i have set the timing 3 times and stripped it back down and put every thing back in it's place to check if I had missed something so I will give that another go when the Mrs gets back with my car. Thanks for the reminder I think sometimes we can overlook the obvious but I just checked the voltage on the battery 12.1volts not that good.

#10: Re: Timing won't start 206 Sport 1.1 Video Update Author: iancav6, Location: rugby PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:21 pm
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Don't know the engine at all but assume it has hydraulic lifters?
Have the lifters expanded while the head and rockers were apart and now you have put together are holding the valves open?

#11: Re: Timing won't start 206 Sport 1.1 Video Update Author: formula1john, Location: East Midlands UK Earth PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:32 pm
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iancav6 wrote:
Don't know the engine at all but assume it has hydraulic lifters?
Have the lifters expanded while the head and rockers were apart and now you have put together are holding the valves open?

Thanks for your reply, the rockers are lifted by rollers on the cam shaft it rolls over the cam lobes opening and closing the valves but it was something I hadn't even thought about so not a wasted comment thanks for taking the time to reply. Smile

#12: Re: Timing won't start 206 Sport 1.1 Video Update Author: iancav6, Location: rugby PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:37 pm
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How are the valve clearances controlled?
Manually adjusted?

#13: Re: Timing won't start 206 Sport 1.1 Video Update Author: formula1john, Location: East Midlands UK Earth PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:16 pm
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iancav6 wrote:
How are the valve clearances controlled?
Manually adjusted?
Hi yes they are manually adjusted just like the old tappets with the rod lifting them all that has changed is the rod has been replaced with the cam being closer to the rocker arm they have a roller going over the cam lobe pushing the top of the valve to open it, I can see each of the valves opening and closing.


 

#14: Re: Timing won't start 206 Sport 1.1 Video Update Author: iancav6, Location: rugby PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:34 pm
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Presume you have set the clearances?

#15: Re: Timing won't start 206 Sport 1.1 Video Update Author: formula1john, Location: East Midlands UK Earth PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:54 pm
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iancav6 wrote:
Presume you have set the clearances?
They are all within the listed gaps it honestly makes no sense, I have changed head gaskets, set timing, swapped engines, you name it i have never had as much trouble as this is giving me. Even though there was chocolate shake it was still running but rough, cleaned it out changed the gasket and all the supporting gaskets while putting it back together, I have even checked for a spark it was tough but can be done,
If this was an older engine I would have said that the timing was about 180 degrees out but as there is only 1 way to time it by putting a cam pin and another in the flywheel it can't be that. Rolling Eyes



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