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MrBSI
PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:49 pm Up
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FWIW: The TU1 engine in a 206 uses a wasted spark ignition system so the spark plugs will fire on the COMPRESSION & also EXHAUST stroke.
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MrBSI wrote:
FWIW: The TU1 engine in a 206 uses a wasted spark ignition system so the spark plugs will fire on the COMPRESSION & also EXHAUST stroke.
Now that is something I didn't know, So in theory any fuel left in the engine would cause some sort of back fire that would lead me to think of older engines being 180 degrees out of timing. well at least now I know I am not insane. I have the timing right by the pins I have taken the whole thing back and re-fitted it again. Why does it sound like in the video I have tried jumping it I did the beep test. I truly am at a loss as to why it will not start.

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The cranking sounds uneven, can you get hold of a compression tester?
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iancav6 wrote:
The cranking sounds uneven, can you get hold of a compression tester?

Believe it or not I have one but it won't fit this car I have been in touch with some mates but they all have used mine and never purchased one.
My lad is waiting to hear from a couple of his mates but most have the IQ of a gnat so probability says they take their cars to a local backstreet mechanic or Kwik-Fit.
You are right though it does seem to be out of wack.

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Has a new timing belt been fitted?

If you have did you double check the belt as there are TWO different belts for the 206 TU1 engine, one has 100 teeth & the other 104 teeth depending on engine age.

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MrBSI wrote:
Has a new timing belt been fitted?

If you have did you double check the belt as there are TWO different belts for the 206 TU1 engine, one has 100 teeth & the other 104 teeth depending on engine age.
No i have not fitted a new belt as it had one fitted about a year ago. The only changes I made were gaskets, this is my dilemma.

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Todays update I spent some time on the 206 1.1 Sport 2006 trying to think of why it turns over but does not sound right and I also tried a few other things. and I would like to thank everyone who makes any suggestion no matter how trivial or wacky you think it may be anything can help as you all should know.
First I set the jump leads up and let it just drain the life out of my car. at this point I was looking at the voltage meter I fitted a while ago, as I turned the 206 over it dropped below 11 volts So I have now taken the battery off and put it on charge. I have not been able to get my hands on a compression tester yet.
I then decided to check the timing pins still line up. First I was doing this on my own so it was a little bit of a pain but starting with the flywheel I got the pin to drop in to its hole to find that the cam wheel hole was in the mirrored position where there is no hole so I pulled the flywheel pin out and continued to slowly move the cam wheel in to position and bingo both pins in. I just never had that before is this normal does anyone know as I cant remember seeing the holes even when I changed the clutch?
Any way not doing anything else until the battery is charged as it wouldn't jump or hit the voltage of my car as the battery was draining it the output of my car is 14.2 connect the 206 the most it would hit was 13 dead.
Please keep the advice coming.
Much appreciated John

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Well today I attacked the earthing of the car and put a fully charged battery on it.
It span over well but sort of back fired as I hit the throttle, the only signs of almost life are as i hit the throttle the rest is mainly turning over until I get some sort of half hearted back fire. The plugs smell of petrol when I take them out but I have also plugged all the plugs in to the coil pack earthed all the plugs using a long stripped copper wire and they have sparks so I know they work.
Any ideas apart from adding fuel and a match.

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You say the car overheated, has it warped the head?
Did you check it was flat?

As a rough cam timing check can you get it to tdc on cyl 1 or 4 ,observing piston through the plug hole and check the valves are on overlap, i.e. inlet and exhaust are both rocking on one of the cyls.
Still think you need to verify the compressions.

What about a blocked exhaust, damaged cat?

Go back to the basics for it to run;
Fuel
Spark
Compression
Airflow

Sorry if I'm insulting your intelligence, just shooting ideas around.

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iancav6 wrote:
You say the car overheated, has it warped the head?
Did you check it was flat?

As a rough cam timing check can you get it to tdc on cyl 1 or 4 ,observing piston through the plug hole and check the valves are on overlap, i.e. inlet and exhaust are both rocking on one of the cyls.
Still think you need to verify the compressions.

What about a blocked exhaust, damaged cat?

Go back to the basics for it to run;
Fuel
Spark
Compression
Airflow

Sorry if I'm insulting your intelligence, just shooting ideas around.

I did check the head with a steel ruler it was flat as a pancake, I didn't see any thing with the exhaust apart from it being a pig to get back together, I will check for a blockage.
I did set her at TDC and was watching the valves but didn't watch for overlap I shall do that. I think you have hit the nail on the head back to basics is all I can do, I have been pushed to my limits trying to see what is wrong like I said I earthed the plugs with wire as it has the single coil pack like a bar, and checked it for spark.
Trust me you are not insulting me anything is better than no ideas. Very Happy

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I have labeled this Thread Ended as with my lad's job he couldn't wait for an eternity for me to find a solution as he needs it for work. Even talking to genuine mechanics who know this car said my only course of action was looking expensive with diagnostics not helping and the fact I have done what they would have done to replace the head gasket.
So we have more french in the family since the 206 has gone to the car park in the sky Crying or Very sad My boy has his first TURBO, a Citroen C3 SXHDI 70 1.4 Diesel The snail you see under the bonnet is Mahoosive Rolling Eyes

I still thank you all that have shot ideas with me it aided me in checking that I had not left anything to chance Very Happy

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