#1: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:40 pm ---- I know NGK seem to be a big no no with 206's. So I wasnt too pleased to discover when changing mine that they had NGK in there. Now running Bosch Super + (I think, there' deffinatally the multielectrode one's anyway)
I was just wondering what it is with NGK plugs that make them the Anti Christ to 206's? Anybody willing to shed the light?
Awnsers on a postcard to PO Box 789
Lee
#2: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: Bigbenj_08, Location: CardiffPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:42 pm ----
LeeThr wrote:
I know NGK seem to be a big no no with 206's. So I wasnt too pleased to discover when changing mine that they had NGK in there. Now running Bosch Super + (I think, there' deffinatally the multielectrode one's anyway)
I was just wondering what it is with NGK plugs that make them the Anti Christ to 206's? Anybody willing to shed the light?
Awnsers on a postcard to PO Box 789
Lee
States of Jersey Police?
#3: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:45 pm ----
Bigbenj_08 wrote:
LeeThr wrote:
I know NGK seem to be a big no no with 206's. So I wasnt too pleased to discover when changing mine that they had NGK in there. Now running Bosch Super + (I think, there' deffinatally the multielectrode one's anyway)
I was just wondering what it is with NGK plugs that make them the Anti Christ to 206's? Anybody willing to shed the light?
Awnsers on a postcard to PO Box 789
Lee
States of Jersey Police?
I didnt mean it litterally I was just trying to be funny(ish) Ah well haha.
#4: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: Bigbenj_08, Location: CardiffPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:45 pm ----
LeeThr wrote:
Bigbenj_08 wrote:
LeeThr wrote:
I know NGK seem to be a big no no with 206's. So I wasnt too pleased to discover when changing mine that they had NGK in there. Now running Bosch Super + (I think, there' deffinatally the multielectrode one's anyway)
I was just wondering what it is with NGK plugs that make them the Anti Christ to 206's? Anybody willing to shed the light?
Awnsers on a postcard to PO Box 789
Lee
States of Jersey Police?
I didnt mean it litterally I was just trying to be funny(ish) Ah well haha.
#5: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: SAB206, Location: North WestPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:51 pm ---- sent the coil pack a bit dizzy if i recall!
#6: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 5:02 pm ----
SAB206 wrote:
sent the coil pack a bit dizzy if i recall!
In what way?
#7: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: SAB206, Location: North WestPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 5:08 pm ---- I don't know mate lol, i might be wrong, I'm sure when Lee or MrBsi see this thread, they'll shed some more light
#8: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: MrZiggerz, Location: Milton KeynesPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 5:16 pm ---- Mine had them in before I changed mine few months ago, don't notice the difference maybe im a lucky one?
#9: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 12:14 am ---- My 1.6 16v xsi lost power with ngk. And my gti 180 felt like my 1.6 xsi with them in. It is a strange one lol.
#10: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: Timon2210, Location: PalestinePosted: Thu May 05, 2011 1:20 am ---- 206 hates them because they are called "NGK"...lol
#11: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 2:58 am ----
Timon2210 wrote:
206 hates them because they are called "NGK"...lol
I Dont get it... Is there some pun for NGK I dont know about?
#12: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: Seabook, Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 5:33 am ---- peugeot sport run NGK plugs.
#13: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: Kersh, Location: Bridgnorth, Nr WolverhamptonPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 5:34 am ---- when you arnt looking they will go in your wallet. bosch are much more trustworthy
#14: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 5:37 am ---- NGK are the devil!!
#15: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: Golfguy206, Location: PeterboroughPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 5:38 am ---- lol!!!
#16: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 8:49 am ---- Use the SEARCH
NGK plug issues have been covered many times on here
#17: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: Timon2210, Location: PalestinePosted: Thu May 05, 2011 9:53 am ----
LeeThr wrote:
Timon2210 wrote:
206 hates them because they are called "NGK"...lol
I Dont get it... Is there some pun for NGK I dont know about?
I'm just kidding mate,but NGK plugs are trash when used with Pug 206 and maybe some other models too.
#18: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 9:56 am ---- the OPs question was to why exactly are they incompatible (for what reason do they not function properly) when they are sold as being suitable, something that no-ones answered lol
#19: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 10:01 am ----
MrrNoName wrote:
the OPs question was to why exactly are they incompatible when they are sold as being suitable, something that no-ones answered
Ive answered this question before on the forum:
The phase detection system built in to the coil pack that detects misfires is incompatible with NGK spark plugs.
With NGK plugs fitted you can end up with the HT ignition voltage instead of firing the spark plug it ends up being sent back down the wiring loom which can fry the engine ecu.
It was such a problem that PSA Peugeot / Citroen sent out a technical service bulletin to there dealer networks warning of the issue!
#20: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 10:13 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
MrrNoName wrote:
the OPs question was to why exactly are they incompatible when they are sold as being suitable, something that no-ones answered
Ive answered this question before on the forum:
The phase detection system built in to the coil pack that detects misfires is incompatible with NGK spark plugs.
With NGK plugs fitted you can end up with the HT ignition voltage instead of firing the spark plug it ends up being sent back down the wiring loom which can fry the engine ecu.
It was such a problem that PSA Peugeot / Citroen sent out a technical service bulletin to there dealer networks warning of the issue!
Thanks you
Could they damage the coil pack at all?
#21: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 10:16 am ----
LeeThr wrote:
MrBSI wrote:
MrrNoName wrote:
the OPs question was to why exactly are they incompatible when they are sold as being suitable, something that no-ones answered
Ive answered this question before on the forum:
The phase detection system built in to the coil pack that detects misfires is incompatible with NGK spark plugs.
With NGK plugs fitted you can end up with the HT ignition voltage instead of firing the spark plug it ends up being sent back down the wiring loom which can fry the engine ecu.
It was such a problem that PSA Peugeot / Citroen sent out a technical service bulletin to there dealer networks warning of the issue!
Thanks you
Could they damage the coil pack at all?
Possibly.
Bouricord or Electrofil for the coil pack.
Hope you aint got the original Sagem piece of s**te on there
Any idea if your car has had the earth wire mod fitted to the coil pack connector plug?
#22: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 10:18 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
LeeThr wrote:
MrBSI wrote:
MrrNoName wrote:
the OPs question was to why exactly are they incompatible when they are sold as being suitable, something that no-ones answered
Ive answered this question before on the forum:
The phase detection system built in to the coil pack that detects misfires is incompatible with NGK spark plugs.
With NGK plugs fitted you can end up with the HT ignition voltage instead of firing the spark plug it ends up being sent back down the wiring loom which can fry the engine ecu.
It was such a problem that PSA Peugeot / Citroen sent out a technical service bulletin to there dealer networks warning of the issue!
Thanks you
Could they damage the coil pack at all?
Possibly.
Bouricord or Electrofil for the coil pack.
Hope you aint got the original Sagem piece of s**te on there
Any idea if your car has had the earth wire mod fitted to the coil pack connector plug?
Somethings tell me I think ive got the Sagem pack. No idea on the mod either.
Im just trying to think of what could be causing mine to intermintently (sp?) cut out when I put the clutch in.
#23: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 10:24 am ----
LeeThr wrote:
Somethings tell me I think ive got the Sagem pack. No idea on the mod either.
It will have the nasty word SAGEM on it somewhere if it one
For the mod:
Peugeot / Citroen part number 6555 K9 Suppressor
Splice one end in to pin 4 on the connector plug, the other end needs to be earthed to the engine block.
Have a look, it might already be fitted.
#24: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 10:31 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
LeeThr wrote:
Somethings tell me I think ive got the Sagem pack. No idea on the mod either.
It will have the nasty word SAGEM on it somewhere if it one
For the mod:
Peugeot / Citroen part number 6555 K9 Suppressor
Splice one end in to pin 4 on the connector plug, the other end needs to be earthed to the engine block.
Have a look, it might already be fitted.
I think ive seen that word on it before, either that or im thinking of one of the 50 millions peugeot coil packs ive seen over the years.
Dont think it has the mod, litterally had the plug going into the pack with 4 wires, nothing else going anywhere. What does it do?
I would go check , but the weather says otherwise....
#25: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 10:34 am ----
LeeThr wrote:
Dont think it has the mod, litterally had the plug going into the pack with 4 wires, nothing else going anywhere. What does it do?
Smooths out any electrical spikes on the coil pack wiring.
#26: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: NorthantsBen, Location: Raunds, NorthamptonshirePosted: Thu May 05, 2011 10:37 am ---- i believe my car has one fitted?? (well did as there is no engine in car now )
#27: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 10:37 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
LeeThr wrote:
Dont think it has the mod, litterally had the plug going into the pack with 4 wires, nothing else going anywhere. What does it do?
Smooths out any electrical spikes on the coil pack wiring.
Ah right. Ill look into it. Just wanna work out, why it's so hessitent to come off idle and rev up to about 2,000 rpm. It seems to take forever to get to there but once you get there it just takes off. (Not litterally but it does rev up quicker than it did pre 2k rpm.)
#28: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: sahdra, Location: WarwickshirePosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:00 am ---- Don't ngk's come as standard in the 180?
#29: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:35 am ----
sahdra wrote:
Don't ngk's come as standard in the 180?
no
#30: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: JE_180, Location: WiltshirePosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:37 am ---- No Bosch spark plugs are standard on the 180's, get Bosch Super 4's !
#31: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: sahdra, Location: WarwickshirePosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:10 am ---- i put ngk's in mine about a month ago and seem to be getting a lot of misfiring ...i think i may have just solved my problem! do you think simply changing the plugs will help or i need a coilpack?
when its warm it doesnt seem to want to go over 1500rpm, i get about 20 mins out of the car before it looses power on me ..stressed isnt the word!
#32: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:12 am ----
sahdra wrote:
i put ngk's in mine about a month ago and seem to be getting a lot of misfiring ...i think i may have just solved my problem! do you think simply changing the plugs will help or i need a coilpack?
when its warm it doesnt seem to want to go over 1500rpm, i get about 20 mins out of the car before it looses power on me ..stressed isnt the word!
Do one (The plugs) then the other, that way you will find out if you need a coilpack.
#33: Re: NGK Plugs- Whats the issue? Author: sahdra, Location: WarwickshirePosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:20 am ----
Big_Rich180 wrote:
sahdra wrote:
i put ngk's in mine about a month ago and seem to be getting a lot of misfiring ...i think i may have just solved my problem! do you think simply changing the plugs will help or i need a coilpack?
when its warm it doesnt seem to want to go over 1500rpm, i get about 20 mins out of the car before it looses power on me ..stressed isnt the word!
Do one (The plugs) then the other, that way you will find out if you need a coilpack.
sounds a plan! i'll keep updated on the status ..may be some usefull info for someone
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I didnt mean it litterally I was just trying to be funny(ish) Ah well haha.
lol
