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 Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 5:45 pm |
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| sledge wrote: |
| Swapped front tires with 14", same problem |
Take it to Peugeot.
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 12:33 pm |
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Dropped off at Peugeot's this morning, got the report now:
No wear or play from overall inspection anywhere.
- Prime suspect: lower arms not being identical (bushes vs. ball-joints; also 15" alloys might amplify the pulling - then why 14" also cause same pull?)
- Secondary suspect is not 100% clear: they asked about the car's past accidents, so I believe some or all cases below introduced a delay-action bomb (I enlist the most-relevant first, I haven't told all of them to Peugeot yet, tomorrow morning meeting the mechanic again, for final round of talks):
- accident 9 months ago (15MPH crash into the back of another vehicle)
- one more accident some time in the past, proofs:
- body filler found next to N/S headlight chassis, when refitting new panels after accident 9 months ago
- buckled N/S wheel hub, caused this
- only one (N/S) lower-arm replaced 4 months ago
Plan of action:
- replace lower arms again, this time with identical joints
- go nuts (scrap the car) if that won't help
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 1:16 pm |
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I have to say you have been systematic and very responsible in the way you've dealt with this and by putting all the info on this thread. No-doubt it will be a usefull thing for others to look-at in the future.
I have a feeling you will get to the bottom of this soon, even though obviously quite a bit must have been spent trying to sort it.
At this point and for what it's worth, I would say that different bushes (if OK) would not imho cause the pulling but; if the geometry is different (perfectly possible in this case) it certainly can.
Bear in-mind they will track it too and that has got to be a good thing.
The accidents as described would not ordinarily bend the chassis beyond repair (jig) or to cause such a profound thing. It will be interesting to see.
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 2:54 pm |
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Ball-joints and rubber bushes might differ in friction and flexibility, which is felt only under heavy forces (acceleration)
Even if accidents happened in the past, can the chassis warp/jig become big only months after them?
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 4:23 pm |
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| sledge wrote: |
Ball-joints and rubber bushes might differ in friction and flexibility, which is felt only under heavy forces (acceleration)
Even if accidents happened in the past, can the chassis warp/jig become big only months after them? |
I wouldn't think so. If it's warped it's warped. I can't see how it could get that bad so long after the event.
I have more hopes in them tracking it than anyone else. See what comes out of it.
Keep the other wishbones obviously, and also lay them on top of each-other to compare geometry just for the hell of it.
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 4:37 pm |
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| V9977 wrote: |
| sledge wrote: |
| Swapped front tires with 14", same problem |
Take it to Peugeot. |
| MrBSI wrote: |
| Get Bodie & Doyle to have a look at it. |
I said that back on the 9th of May, page 2 of this thread 
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 4:41 pm |
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What do you mean by "they will track it too" ?
By the sounds of it, an hour-worth of investigation has yielded my info post above. If lower arms don't fix it, it will remain the head scratcher even for a Peugeot dealer..
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 4:41 pm |
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| MrBSI wrote: |
| V9977 wrote: |
| sledge wrote: |
| Swapped front tires with 14", same problem |
Take it to Peugeot. |
| MrBSI wrote: |
| Get Bodie & Doyle to have a look at it. |
I said that back on the 9th of May, page 2 of this thread |
So is Bodie & Doyle a Peugeot dealer's or are you saying I'm getting preferencial treatment?
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 4:42 pm |
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| sledge wrote: |
| If lower arms don't fix it, it will remain the head scratcher even for a Peugeot dealer.. |
What wishbones have you been fitting?
Genuine Peugeot parts OR w**ky aftermarket crap from a factor?
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 4:45 pm |
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| sledge wrote: |
What do you mean by "they will track it too" ?
By the sounds of it, an hour-worth of investigation has yielded my info post above. If lower arms don't fix it, it will remain the head scratcher even for a Peugeot dealer.. |
I can't imagine anyone paying for a new pair of wishbones and not tracking (alignment) it before giving to the customer.
Re-tracking is pretty much standard after replacing wishbones, let-alone when you're in this crisis.
That's what I mean.
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 4:50 pm |
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| MrBSI wrote: |
| sledge wrote: |
| If lower arms don't fix it, it will remain the head scratcher even for a Peugeot dealer.. |
What wishbones have you been fitting?
Genuine Peugeot parts OR w**ky aftermarket crap from a factor? |
The OR ones I think.
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 4:56 pm |
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A genuine wishbone is just under £122 including the VAT, that is a BARGAIN 
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 4:59 pm |
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| MrBSI wrote: |
What wishbones have you been fitting?
Genuine Peugeot parts OR w**ky aftermarket crap from a factor? |
Quoting Peugeot mechanic Dave: "The pattern parts are in pristine condition"
The reason I left R&D for last is that I haven't got a pocket full of money
Same reason I am reluctant to leave the car for them to change lower arms, as it will cost me another arm (pardon the pun) and the leg.
I'd rather bring it back to the garage, whiplash them for entrusting their supplier's choice of providing two ordered wishbones, one with ball joints the other with bushes.. and have them replacing this time with twin identical wishbones free of charge (if it fixes the problem that is). and then bring the car to 2wheel (better 4wheel) tracking afterwards by myself -- should be way cheaper yet enough reliable to eliminate risk
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:10 pm |
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| sledge wrote: |
| MrBSI wrote: |
What wishbones have you been fitting?
Genuine Peugeot parts OR w**ky aftermarket crap from a factor? |
Quoting Peugeot mechanic Dave: "The pattern parts are in pristine condition"
The reason I left R&D for last is that I haven't got a pocket full of money
Same reason I am reluctant to leave the car for them to change lower arms, as it will cost me another arm (pardon the pun) and the leg.
I'd rather bring it back to the garage, whiplash them for entrusting their supplier's choice of providing two ordered wishbones, one with ball joints the other with bushes.. and have them replacing this time with twin identical wishbones free of charge (if it fixes the problem that is). and then bring the car to 2wheel (better 4wheel) tracking afterwards by myself -- should be way cheaper yet enough reliable to eliminate risk |
What Mr.BSI is saying is that genuine parts (esp. things like wishbones) can end-up saving loads of money in the end because:
1) They do the job properly whereas often aftermarket parts don't.
2) They last a lot longer and protect the rest of the vehicle's parts from stress.
3) You pay less for labour time which has to be done again and again trying to solve issues like this.
I also think this because I have found-out the hard way, paying arms legs and everything in between (the legs) on various french cars over the years. 
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:16 pm |
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I remember way back to 2005 when my 206 had new wishbones fitted under the 3 year Peugeot manufacture's warranty, those same wishbones are still on the car now & still working perfectly fine all those years & 80K+ miles later
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